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Farmers dogs on public footpath

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Cuppateeee · 02/02/2019 15:49

Just been on a lovely walk in the countryside, only to be spoiled by a shouty farmer. Need a different perspective on it otherwise it will just wind me up. Will include picture.

Walking with my dog on a lead through a field, staying on the public footpath when I see two border collies barking in the distance. I stay where I am to look for a farmer to check if they are aggressive or not, no one in sight, they are staying where they are but still barking and in the way of where I need to walk, so I went back and walked down the other side of the fence.

I get to the bottom and see the dogs have gone, also notice the gate was open so they could have got to me anyway, never mind I’m there now and go over the stile back onto the public footpath.

Only then I notice the dogs have come back, so again I check to see if I can see the farmer because whilst they weren’t growling they were barking which is intimidating enough.

At this point there is a fence between us so not a problem but I check to see where the public footpath leads and you’re supposed to join the farm track but their gate is open. The dogs are following me and my dog down the fence, still barking, so I decided to walk away from them not wanting to risk what would happen when we reach the open gate. I am at this point on the farmers field.

After a few steps a farmer comes running shouting for my attention, I stop and see what he wants. He said ‘the footpath doesn’t go along there, you’re damaging the crops’. So he was clearly watching me, and would have been able to see that I was uncomfortable with his dogs around.

There is snow on the field so I wasn’t sure what I was walking on but either way I said, sorry I appreciate that but your dogs were being aggressive towards me and my dog so I felt I had no choice.

He kept repeating that if I can’t stick to the path then I shouldn’t go on the walk, which in normal circumstances I totally agree with, but in this case I felt it best, to protect me and my dog.

He insists his dogs are not aggressive, they are with him at this point, still barking but I admit not growling or coming closer, just staying with him, but I said again that I was not to know this and didn’t want to risk anything happening to my dogs.

In the end I walked away because he clearly could not see my point of view.

So was IBU waking on his land or was he. And if he was is there anything I can do to stop if happening to someone else. Sorry for the long post, thanks for reading.

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Teateaandmoretea · 03/02/2019 13:05

curious did you read the original post that it was in reference to? [Hmm]

No, it's easier just to accuse long term posters of sock puppeting because they hapoen to not agree with your utterly daft statements.

derxa · 03/02/2019 13:08

Why not do it if it’s so easy? You would make a fortune? Because I don't want to. It would seriously affect the local shows which use my fields for parking.

SoupDragon · 03/02/2019 13:08

The whole point of that video is how unusual it is.

Do you understand the difference between "can't" and "unusual"?

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 13:12

“Do you understand the difference between "can't" and "unusual"?”

I do. Let me correct what I said in the hope it is helpful to you. Dogs generally can’t climb wire fences. Especially non rigid wire unlike in that video.

You with me now?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/02/2019 13:16

Yeah! So unusual, only 6,880,000 youtube hits of dogs doing something you said they couldn't do

Dogs can’t climb wire fences.

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 13:21

There isn’t a single video on youtube of a dog climbing a wire stock fence.

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 13:26

“I was recently looking into refencing the perimeter of our horse paddocks. I'd be looking at atleast £20,000 for 8 acres. Now imagine refencing the rest of our 500 acres...“

So your alternative to that spend is to accept the small risk of dog attacks. There you go, you can’t have everything.

But in all likelihood the fencing designed to keep horses in and safe wouldn't keep dogs out. Because horses and fixed wire don't mix, especially at floor level. So your suggestions about rabbit wire dug in and wire on gates will actually pose a risk to horses standing close to the wire, or indeed on it and getting stuck. In fact some insurance companies (mine for instance) won't insure your horse for injuries while grazing on land fenced with wire fencing. Post and rail and specially designed stretchy electric tape along the top is the best for horses.

( I realise you will come up with a ridiculous reason why I'm wrong here but it might be amusing)

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/02/2019 13:29

Oh! See why I thought you were Socks Teatea ?

Streetwise also changes the goalposts!

You didn't say dogs can't climb stock fences..... and did you really check though all 6.5 million hits? Shock

LakieLady · 03/02/2019 13:32

We walk all the time, always stick to footpaths, close gates, follow the countryside code, yet frequently get chased/barked at and occasionally bitten by vicious farm dogs.

I think you've been awfully unfortunate. I've been walking in the countryside regularly for over 50 years. I walk daily through fields of sheep, occasionally cattle and I have never been chased or bitten by farm dogs. I've been barked at, but I'm not bothered by a bit of barking and have never been concerned that the bark is any more than an alarm and that the dog is doing its job.

If a farm dog bites, then the victim has a legal remedy and imo should use it. There is no justification for a vicious dog, whether in town or country.

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 13:38

And um, I'll just leave this here, there's quite a lot of these pics I've chosen one.....

Farmers dogs on public footpath
CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/02/2019 13:39
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LakieLady · 03/02/2019 13:39

If a dog can get in, then sheep can get out and often do. Why don’t they bother to secure their livestock?

Pmsl!

Show me the sheep that can scale or jump a 6' fence like my old whippet cross could, or wriggle through a hole the size of my fist, like my lakeland terriers have all been able to. My first lakie was so good at wriggling under fences I swear the little fucker could dislocate his hips and shoulders at will. (We had our garden fencing dug 6" into the ground in the end, that stopped the bugger)

Sorry, Streetwise, but Countrywise you ain't.

LakieLady · 03/02/2019 13:52

Dogs jumping 4ft fences is very, very unlikely. I’d love to see a German shephard that can do that. 3ft maybe but 4ft? Come on.

If you have a police dog training centre anywhere near you, they may well hold displays of what they are capable of. You'll see German Shepherds climbing steep ramps, jumps, hoops of fire, all sorts. Their agility is one of the reasons they're so good at what they do.

We had a German Shepherd bitch when I was a child. She could jump in though a sash window where the sill was waist high, higher still on the outside. She used to shock guests no end!

StreetwiseHercules · 03/02/2019 13:58

Horses aren’t really livestock in the UK are they? And I’m not really worried about horses. Do what you like with them, but the horse which backs onto mine doesn’t have a problem with my fence.

LakieLady · 03/02/2019 13:59

Deer fencing alldepends on why you want it

A farmer near me has diversified into venison. The fields the deer are in have fences well over 6' high, and the top section is angled inwards, which I presume is to stop them jumping over.

SoupDragon · 03/02/2019 14:12

Let me correct what I said in the hope it is helpful to you. Dogs generally can’t climb wire fences. Especially non rigid wire unlike in that video.

You with me now?

If by "with me" you mean "still think I'm wrong" then yes. HTH!

FrancisCrawford · 03/02/2019 14:15

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FrancisCrawford · 03/02/2019 14:16

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Belenus · 03/02/2019 14:20

Of course it could. Head under, wriggle wriggle and through.

Grin It's a GSD, not a hamster.

As for the idea of dug in wire, yes it's hugely problematic for wildlife if used extensively. You're basically going to block the movement of small mammals such as rabbits and hedgehogs. Modern farming is detrimental enough to many species, without adding that in. And no, it's not used everywhere, although I have seen it used to back hedging up at weak points.

Horses aren’t really livestock in the UK are they?

There are over 900,000 of them. They might be kept as leisure animals but they're housed in the same way.

But do keep going. At this rate I'm going to have to raid my Brexit stash for extra popcorn.

FrancisCrawford · 03/02/2019 14:28

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Unbearablecollies · 03/02/2019 14:31

Streetwise sorry I can't let this go, you are seriously trying to convince me that a German Shepherd could just magically wriggle wriggle wriggle under a 4 inch gap??? It's bloody shoulders would be three times wider than that. If it went in on it's knees ....no wait, I can't believe I'm having to spell this out.....You're a total loon I've decided.

Biggerknickersagain · 03/02/2019 14:42

the horse which backs onto mine doesn’t have a problem with my fence

Your fence might have a problem if the horse really backed into it.

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Maddy70 · 03/02/2019 14:53

Yabu.you damage crops if you deviate from the paths. The dogs aren't agredsive they were barking

Gindrinker43 · 03/02/2019 15:27

Farmers have no end or problems with walkers on their land, fences and gates damaged, sheep worrying, gates being left open, crops trampled, litter, fires the list goes on. People thinking its their God given right to go where they want.And they have to pay to maintain the paths and have no choice to allow access,
If you cant stay on the path don't go on farm land.

Milliy · 03/02/2019 15:42

Biggerknickersagain which pack are they? Looks like North Wales/Lakes?