To think that anti-vaxers may actually being onto something?

[viiz]

I don't have children myself yet but I don't know what I would chose when the time comes. Most of pro vax/anti vax threads turns nasty with people not even willing to try and look at things with others side perspective. Not willing to even consider points of view different than their own and that's a very silly approach. People believed a lot of things that turned out to be false over the years and centuries. Why not to doubt a little?

I was born in early '80s and not in UK. Myself, my siblings and friends were all vaccinated at the time. I don't even remember what I was vaccinated against but had to be pretty basic. Just a few jabs throughout my whole childhood/teen years and nothing 3in1 or 10in1 or whatever they'll bring next.

Now to the point. Reading through hundreds of threads it jumps at me how many children have neurological, behavioural or emotional disorders. No one else sees it really?? I don't know even one person from my childhood including friends, extended family , neighbours etc who would have ADS or ADHD or any other issues like that. I see their children to have it though.

AIBU to consider there could be a link here??

Please be gentle. I hope to have a discussion here. I don't disrespect anyone's views and I only ask to try and ask yourself 'what if'.

I think anti vaxxers know vaccines work but, after having a bit of a google, would rather risk a life threatening disease for their children than something such as autism, on the basis of a completely made-up and disproven link.

I’m in my late forties and no measles wasn’t considered a big deal back then

I'm 50, it was a pretty big deal in my family, it led to my sister having meningitis.

I'm pretty sure that junk food, tablets, smaller gardens, busy parents and Low wages etc have a lot to answer for though

The people saying things like this....Do you think these things cause autism? ADHD? Neurological conditions?

If you were born in the early 80s then you'd have had the MMR as standard. I did and I was born in 1980

Not necessarily. I was born in 77 and couldn’t have it because of being a forceps delivery. Not sure that that had changed by 1980.

I had real measles, mumps and rubella instead, which left me with lasting hearing damage.

MMR was only introduced in the U.K. in 1988. I had single vaccines for measles and rubella, and caught mumps as a child.

I was born in the early 70s and had measles and rubella vaccines. The latter at high school when I was about 13. Only girls got it then.

I remember having measles and mumps. I remember my sister having measles and we all thought she would die. She didn’t but her eyesight is diabolical thanks to no vaccine being available when we were young. Oh and we’re both Autistic despite no vaccine being available...

Oh and my uncle contracted polio when he was seven. He died in his early sixties; post polio syndrome.

@BertieBotts thats a great post and its lovely to be able to discuss this here, exactly.

My own experience, when my eldest got very sick and was in hospital, there was a few doctors helping her, one practically shouted at me 'has she had all her vaccines' i said yes, a while later another doctor asked me again, i was so so glad we had gotten her vaccinated.
(We have an orange book here in Ireland with the vaccines written in them so I asked my husband to bring it to the hospital.) She was in for a while and I was asked several times for this.
I would have been absolutely mortified at that point if I hadn't gotten her vaccinated.

I was at a village school, just 70 pupils, in the 1960s. In those 70 pupils there were 2 that were deaf and one that was "backwards" as a result of vaccine preventable. This was at a time when most disabled children were dumped in "special schools", every town had at least one, and disabled children in mainstream schools were very unusual. People who had leg calipers or withered arms as a result of polio were a common sight, I knew a few. My older cousin caught polio just before he could have the then new vaccine. In his 50s he developed post polio syndrome and died of pneumonia. There were also the "naughty" kids who these days would be considered to have SEN.

Pouty that's interesting as I too was delivered by forceps ( January 1978 ) so am
wondering now what I have had.
Will ask my dm as soon as possible.

I posted much earlier in the thread and have a ds with HFA and strongly suspect I have it myself and we have a family with several
children on the spectrum ( diagnosed ) and several adults who I think are but are undiagnosed.
I had chicken pox as a child and that's all I can recall.

The anti - vaxxers I know are all batshit crazy conspiracy theorists who smoke a lot of weed

@viiz - apologies if this has already been said - I have skimmed the thread and may have missed it - but anti-vaxxers depend on herd immunity to keep their children safe - basically, if enough parents vaccinate against these harmful potentially fatal diseases, the risk of an unvaccinated child getting the disease is very low.

BUT when more people don’t vaccinate their children, herd immunity drops to a level where these diseases can start to get a proper hold on the population again.

In my opinion, anti-vaxxers are selfish because they don’t worry about the risk that their decision not to vaccinate causes to their children, babies who are too young to be vaccinated, and people who are immune-compromised. Plus, because they rely on herd immunity, they are clearly happy for other people’s children to take what they see as the risks of vaccination, to keep their children safe.

Please vaccinate your future children - for their sake and for everyone else’s sake.

Yes and this is happening in America at the moment - they are finding that measles cases are increasing because vaccine rates have reduced. I've not seen anything about mumps and Rubella, though.

It's occurred to me that many of our greatest minds - 'geniuses' if you will - could well have fitted the criteria for HFAZ. Mozart, Sir Isaac Newton, the hymn writer Isaac Watts (who apparently used to talk in verse)...I could go on. Einstein and Leonardo da Vinci were famously non-standard thinkers, and you could draw interesting conclusions about Florence Nightingale's life. Autistic people in medieval times would have fitted in well in a monastery or convent, with the rituals of prayer and psalms and daily services and solitary contemplation.

Don't know where that random Z came from.

No. My child's adhd was not caused by me protecting her from potentially fatal illnesses and having her vaccinated. I find your post deeply offensive actually.
Diagnosis in children has increased because more is known about these conditions than previous generations.
My DH almost certainly had/has ADHD but was undiagnosed and unsupported at school because that type of thing simply didn't happen 40 years ago.
Nothing to do with vaccinations.

It's thanks to anti-vaxxers that measles rqtes in Europe have skyrocketed in recent years. People are dying of entirely preventable diseases because some people think that reading an article on a conspiracy website makes them as informed about immunology as thousand of medical professionals..
www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/press-releases/2018/measles-cases-hit-record-high-in-the-european-region

If "anti-vaxxers" are people who choose not to vaccinate due to a conspiracy theory, I'm still not sure they can be fully blamed for 2018 esp. bad measles outbreak.

Ukraine had most of the 2018 cases; their inadequate vaccination programme was flagged as far back as 2016.

Most yrs the vast majority (hundreds or thousands) of European measles cases are in Romania & Roma Gypsies. Roma often don't get offered the jab at all, so crap is the health service wherever they live.

There are certain communities in EU that have never vaccinated; like the Amish who don't use electricity, they think that jabs are too modern, outside their religious teachings. I seem to recall 2 such groups in Netherlands.

There are rabid anti-vaxxers in Germany, but not sure their numbers are growing.

I don’t think vaccines cause adhd, asd etc.

I do think there is a possible link to live vaccines and autoimmune diseases which are on the rise in under 5s and the increase in numbers of young children being diagnosed with t1 diabetes correlates to additional live vaccines BUT there’s no proven link.
There are studies that suggest children with autoimmune histories in their families are more likely to have adverse reactions to vaccines.
I’m prepared to believe there may be a link with autoimmune diseases and live vaccines.

I am easily swayed by conspiracy theories, and I don't like the MMR jab. Everything else is no problem. I just can't understand why they don't allow parents to pay to do them separately.

The NHS runs like a big-brother police state in some respects.

I just can't understand why they don't allow parents to pay to do them separately.

1. The gaps between the vaccinations leave the child unprotected for longer.

1. With more individual injections there is a higher probability the course will not be finished correctly leaving the child inadequately protected.

1. The testing on the individual vaccines is actually less rigorous than the testing on the MMR.

1. Single mumps and rubella vaccines are no longer manufactured anywhere in the world.

I just can't understand why they don't allow parents to pay to do them separately.

Because they don't want to encourage the crazy.

Separate vaccines increase the risk of the child contracting the disease and they don’t reduce the already tiny tiny risk of related vaccine damage is why Gth1234.
Not a conspiracy between drug companies and doctors to cut costs and save time, just basic efficacy.

So many morons
So little time