To think that anti-vaxers may actually being onto something?

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I don't have children myself yet but I don't know what I would chose when the time comes. Most of pro vax/anti vax threads turns nasty with people not even willing to try and look at things with others side perspective. Not willing to even consider points of view different than their own and that's a very silly approach. People believed a lot of things that turned out to be false over the years and centuries. Why not to doubt a little?

I was born in early '80s and not in UK. Myself, my siblings and friends were all vaccinated at the time. I don't even remember what I was vaccinated against but had to be pretty basic. Just a few jabs throughout my whole childhood/teen years and nothing 3in1 or 10in1 or whatever they'll bring next.

Now to the point. Reading through hundreds of threads it jumps at me how many children have neurological, behavioural or emotional disorders. No one else sees it really?? I don't know even one person from my childhood including friends, extended family , neighbours etc who would have ADS or ADHD or any other issues like that. I see their children to have it though.

AIBU to consider there could be a link here??

Please be gentle. I hope to have a discussion here. I don't disrespect anyone's views and I only ask to try and ask yourself 'what if'.

I’ve had measles and back then it was considered a self limiting childhood illness requiring no other treatment than rest, and a dark room. That was my experience and everyone else I knew who’d had it.

People who would rather have a dead child than a child with autism should never have had children. If you are an anti vaxxer, or think they are 'onto something' then that is exactly what you believe.

Vaccines should be mandatory, unless there is an actual medical reason. No honey, "i'm scared of the big brain bads and big pharma" is not sufficient reasoning to endanger your child and other people's children.

Vaccinate your kids ffs.

It's obvious the OP is ignoring posts that don't support the anti vax theory and have a counter point

What worries me and what I question is the amount of vaccinations for babies/children and their safety.

You don't think the scientists that develop them have thought about this?

@Cathmidston when was that? I've never known a time when it wasn't considered serious but then I'm late 30s and things might have been different before then

Sugarcoatedglaciers - No, vaccines like any other medical procedure should never be mandatory. It's completely insane that anyone with a sound mind would even suggest such a thing. If nothing else, I am tired of people insisting the gov take away more of our rights because some people can't control their hysteria.

Saying that I don't know if people affected by those disorders ( and if those disorders are linked to vaccines or not ) have to depend on meds throughout their lives or not. Could someone maybe shine some light on it please?

There is no medication, cure, or treatment for autism. There are therapies and interventions that can improve outcomes but no medicines.

I’ve had measles and back then it was considered a self limiting childhood illness requiring no other treatment than rest, and a dark room. That was my experience and everyone else I knew who’d had it.

Anecdotes are not facts. Children did, and still do, die from measles and the complications caused by measles. The author Roald Dahl lost his daughter to measles and wrote about it, his account of the effects of measles is available via Google.

What worries me and what I question is the amount of vaccinations for babies/children and their safety.

Gosh - you’re right. I wonder whether the scientists who spend decades developing and then testing these vaccines have given any though as to the spacing of vaccines and the age at which they should be administered...

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Sorry, in Ireland it is 33 different items in the first year now for babies (some of these are boosters)

Is this for real? I knew the number were high but 33 sounds ridiculous 😳

That is a huge increase in the last few years. I would like to talk about this without being called names. I am pro vaccine, all my children have them. My son has ASD but had it before the vaccine and I too am seeing signs of it in older family members (undiagnosed).
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I am just saying that if I raise my hand to ask a question, I am not 'anti vaccinations'at all) there are more than 2 types of people.

Again, thank you for this thread as it's good to talk.*

That's what I want too. Concerned parents who , just in case , don't want to blindly follow instructions. I question it because of the increase in number of vaccinations. I'm not anti vax but it's hard to comprehend by pro vaxxers that you can question and not be anti 😄

As far as I know there is no vaccine against malaria yet Maybe not in the sense of an injection but there are various tablet preventative medicines to be taken. Some of which definitely have known side effects (hallucination and such like) but people visiting a country for a holiday still take anti-Malarial drugs because Malaria is bad...

It's obvious the OP is ignoring posts that don't support the anti vax theory and have a counter point This. The fact thermisol (sp?) isn't even used in UK vaccines still hasn't been acknowledged as far as I can see.

I really cannot believe you are for real here OP.
What will it take to convince you that you are pitifully wrong?
Clearly years of extensive scientific research is not enough 🙄

People sometimes say you should go and look in graveyards, and see the numbers of children who died before we had vaccinations. It's instructive. I know it's easier to survive bacterial infections these days because of antibiotics, but antibiotics are starting to lose their efficacy, and not all children survive even with effective antibiotics. I had whooping cough in the days before the whooping cough vaccination was available. I used to cough myself unconscious because I couldn't draw breath, and I can still remember that feeling of slow suffocation - at the peak of the illness, this happened daily.

There is no evidence linking vaccination with the increase in the disorders you mention. Some of it is down to increased diagnosis. Too many children with ADHD, not so long ago, were simply branded as 'naughty' and suffered accordingly.

What is your degree in, OP?

Something in the sciences?

YABVVVVVVVVVVVVU

the increase in number of vaccinations Because of science discovering new vaccinations for disease that previously were not preventable - this is a good thing! In the 15th century there were no vaccinations. This was not a good thing. People died. Regularly. Some of the diseases the died of have been eradicated. Some are preventable with vaccines. This is because science has moved on and is a good thing. Many people consider finding the cure or prevention for a disease to be positive

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Do you accept that there is a lot more knowledge of autism etc op?

I started this thread after reading one interview and thinking of people I know so yes I can safely say there is loads more 😄

Dear pro vaccine posters please let my mind wonder. I feel like people feel threatened just by raising questions by anyone. Why is that honestly?? Why so much aggression and name calling?

Well I’m not an anti-vaxxer and modern medicine has saved my life on more than one occasion. However, I question the wisdom of overloading little immune systems with up to 19 vaccines in one go, I think it should be spread across several injections over the months.

When I think back to my childhood there where lots of children who in hindsight where more than likely autistic but because of lack of knowledge and understanding at that time weren’t diagnosed or supported. We were scjool age before the MMR became commonplace.

Look at the Amount of people who are being diagnosed now as adults having struggled throughout their whole life.

The increase in prevalence most likely isn’t an increase in prevalence but an increase in diagnosis.

@onehandinmypocket

Ah yes, the famous hysteria of wanting to protect your children against preventable diseases. Such hysteria.

If you really think protecting your kids is a tyrannical government conspiracy, you are an idiot.

It’s the aluminium that is considered an issue ...which is found in most vaccines
www.alz-disease.org/downloads/Aluminum1.pdf

I’m in my late forties and no measles wasn’t considered a big deal back then

Dear pro vaccine posters please let my mind wonder. I feel like people feel threatened just by raising questions by anyone. Why is that honestly?? Why so much aggression and name calling?

Because your conspiracy theories are dangerous and will kill children. That’s why.

www.vaccineconfidence.org/israel-un-vaccinated-child-dies-of-measles-in-jerusalem/

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.thejournal.ie/readme/doctor-john-fitzsimons-measles-vaccine-4212638-Sep2018/%3famp=1

www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l312

Anti vaxxers and flat earthers and others of their ilk can't be persuaded with evidence. They don't understand the evidence, which to then is not an indicator that they should learn more so that they can, but proof that the evidence is all part of a great conspiracy. When they find the science beyond their comprehension, instead of thinking "wow, I am glad there are people who can understand this stuff and are working hard to bring the benefits to us all", they think "this doesn't make sense to me, therefore it does't make sense at all". It's very sad really.

Why is that honestly?? Why so much aggression and name calling?

Because people like you increase the risk that people will suffer greatly and die from preventable diseases. I'd rather your feelings be a bit hurt than that happen.

Anti vaxxers and flat earthers and others of their ilk can't be persuaded with evidence.

That reminds me of this piece of research: www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/14/gm-foods-scientific-ignorance-fuels-extremist-views-study?fbclid=IwAR1lGMdWt7J63lDocx5E8vBQinSehGYfIuEwiqUEU6sUISHxg43n6fN1fJI