#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

Victims? Are are we really talking victims? They didnt recieve any of this?? Omg- now i have to exit back into the realms of normality. I know real victims. Crack on you loons.

@Ickle37 one of the women was shown what was said about her by one of the men involved in the group chats in an intimidating manner. She was shown how she was named and how they talked about raping her,killing her and ejaculating on her corpse. She was shown how her friend should have hair straighteners applied to her genitals. She was told she should be "flattered".

What would you call her?

Then these guys should be done for more they have been. I would say they were dangerous and should most certainly lose their places. The police dropped this i am assuming? Awful.

When will people wake up ... the ring leaders in these situations invariably have history ... you don’t just wake up one day and start spewing ...nasty sexist, racist misogynistic chat like this.... men with views like this are manipulative and often smart .. drawing in followers who they scapegoat... everyone of you that think these boys are being hard done by are part of the reason are society cannot shake this growing illness... don’t defend the indefensible... and stop enabling men who think subjugation is the norm for those they deem beneath them. Please do not be so dismissive of how the other students will feel if being forced to share space with these nasty individuals... or is it that you don’t care about anyone in your own lives ..... I think all right minded students should have a quiet protest and lecturers should join them... make a stand. Show the world this behaviour is not acceptable.

Ickle37 They didnt rape anyone, nor threaten physically anyone. Do you honestly think their lives should be ruined , forever?

So you don't consider threatening to rape someone is threatening physically? Really? You don't see fake as an act of physical violence? Really????

If someone in a private chat said they wanted to take an automatic weapon and shoot everyone on campus would you consider that a crime? What if someone from another religion said they were doing to bomb churches ....on a private chat. Where would you stand on that?

When will people wake up ... the ring leaders in these situations invariably have history ... you don’t just wake up one day and start spewing ...nasty sexist, racist misogynistic chat like this.... men with views like this are manipulative and often smart .. drawing in followers who they scapegoat... everyone of you that think these boys are being hard done by are part of the reason are society cannot shake this growing illness

Totally agree. These ideas they spouted did not come out of a vacuum.

Amongst the Twitter discussion of #ShameOnYouWarwick, there was reference to this:

"Amazing what quietly changes when #Brexit steals all the limelight. #abuse #consent and #safeguarding are often very blurred. Surprised the #CPS just slip this through - Obscene porn rules relaxed in England and Wales
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47069414

I think the CPS attitude reflects the changes in our society and is very relevant to the dental student case and the Warwick scandal. Much easier access to more extreme porn, thanks to the internet and the Dark Web, seems to me to breed a world in which young men's (and young women's, of course, but perhaps to a lesser extent) view of what is "normal' sexual behaviour in a "normal" loving relationship is completely distorted. I'm shocked at the CPS's decision, to my mind, it only serves to make the already vulnerable, more so. Others clearly disagree, and this has been heralded as good news by followers of Myles Jackman, self-styled Obscenity Lawyer, whose campaign brought these changes about.

‘Warwick is sounding like the SWP in the comrade delta affair, closing ranks to protect an abuser.’

This is education. More common than realised.

Then these guys should be done for more they have been. I would say they were dangerous and should most certainly lose their places. The police dropped this i am assuming? Awful.

Glad you finally got it. The point YoutSarcasm made had already been made to you at least three times before you did get it, though, and not before some really tasteless posts from you. Perhaps take some time to read properly next time instead of operating the default “what about the poor menz”.

My point was actually very clear and remains. I was trying to show how easy it is for opinion to change just by a few sentences from a unregulated source.
These boys remain idiots, they remain punished, they were caught, they were dealt with. They are still not rapists, they are still not guilty of fgm. I might not wish them to be part of my family, but i also dont want to live in a world where acts of stupidity, which are punished, cant be forgiven. Crack on the with your ‘ burn them burn them ‘ attitude, but it will get you no further than a headache.

Crack on the with your ‘ burn them burn them ‘ attitude, but it will get you no further than a headache

If that is your point it really wasn’t clear.

Nobody is baying for blood. My opinion is that what happens to these men is not important. They’re nothing.

However the university should have a duty of care towards the victims. They absolutely shouldn’t have to continue their studies alongside these men.

They are still not rapists

You can’t possibly know that.

I also don’t see why Jewish people and black people, etc, are being expected to sit nicely with them in their seminars.

They were given a ten year ban that was zapped to one. They have the brass neck to go back to the campus where their targets will be - some of those will be really anxious and possibly scared (definately disgusted) at the prospect of bumping into them. And the lenient punishment - won’t that encourage a laddish back slapping ‘sorry you got caught mate, what’s all the fuss about?’ attitude from some idiots? This would make the environment even more toxic.

Christ he sounds monstrous. If he were my son I would die inside. That poor girl

It’s not the point that they aren’t rapist to be fair... this is about mental abuse ... which causes a climate of fear in those it is intentionally aimed at ... my mother came to the uk at 17 in the days of ... no Irish , no blacks etc I can’t imagine the strength of character it took her to live through those times... yet in her late 50’s working in the MOD a poster was stuck on the wall full of racist jokes.( she was the only Black/ female in this team) she didn’t see it but was told by someone who removed it... this was the tipping point in her life and she has had to rely on anti depressants ever since ... over 20 years ago ...she wasn’t fragile she was strong and used humour to deflect the idiots she met...
No one is baying for blood ... what every one believes is that this Uni should not be accommodating these young men, their future success or failure lies in their hands ... but it starts with them understanding they could cause further discomfort to many others by rocking up next year as though they have been the ones harshly treated ...
This wasn’t imbetweeners type humour they spewed it was far more base and visceral and targeted ...

I would just be careful what allegations are made on social media and names named. I know the perpetrators have been named though. I am not saying the above isn’t true, I have no idea but it is an allegation.

I’m not going to do the whole virtue signalling thing as I think the comments these students made were a hornet etc etc.

Forgot to add that I have worked all my working life oh children who have been abused (emotionally, physically and sexually) and worked with perpetrators too.

I knew a young man in my teens who used to unstop every female he ever met with his eyes... he did this continually while you tried to engage in adult conversation on politics or current affairs even when we called him out on it ...he is now a sitting MP!
We met his father once .... he was just them same!

These boys and their families need this to be a wake up call... how they procede now will tell the world what we already suspect ... behaviour like this are either learnt or condoned by not acting when earlier red flags were raised

That’s unstrip not unstop

Meant abhorrent, not hornet 🙄

As a current Warwick student, I wouldn't not apply to Warwick due to this. My experience here so far has been amazing. Student wellbeing and my personal department has been great. The only people making these decisions are the top tier chancellor. My head of department is outraged, many other departments have written saying they won't accept those people involved back. It's a fuck up don't get me wrong but I feel safe on campus, always have a still do.
The tab screwed up releasing names before the inquiry was complete and the universitys handelling of it has been shit but to a degree I am glad the uni hasn't been bowing to public pressure and were launching their own enquiries. It's not up to the public to decide what happens to the students

Well said swanlife.

Thanks, pumpkin1976, have reported my post.
swanlife - it is great to read your happy experience at Warwick University, thank you for sharing it. I have seen the condemnation by various Departments at the University, you are so right in saying that this is a Management failure. My concern about this whole thing is that the University's lack of understanding towards the women directly affected, because they were named, by the men being allowed to return to campus whilst those very same women are still studying there, is symptomatic of a misogyny that is prevalent, though not necessarily much reported, in many British universities, not specifically Warwick, if that makes sense?

The tab screwed up releasing names before the inquiry was complete

Why? There are very few circumstances under which the accused in criminal cases have a right of anonymity, and contempt of court only arises post charge. The tab is entitled to report news. Is the university claiming that had their names not been published in May 2018 this case would have played out better?

The complainants knew who their abusers were. They should not be expected, still less forced, to remain silent. If the men don’t like what is written about them, that might perhaps give them a moment’s insight into how their targets feel.