#shameonyouwarwick

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Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

Ickle - one of the women was shown the chat thread, and she was shown it in a way that was designed to threaten her. The content that she was deliberately shown described raping her, killing her, and then ejaculating on her corpse. Her friend was also mentioned - in the context of one of the participants wanting to genitally multilate her with hair straighteners.

If you think that’s just a bit of laddish banter, or some silly girls bandying around the term “rapey” to kick up a bit of a fuss, I really don’t know what to say to you.

"Bants" - there's a difference between saying "I'd like to shag her" and "let's rape her" ffs. Private chat or not they are warped.

I have been debating posting this link.

Warning: it is quite clearly going to be triggering for survivors of sexual assault.

shameonyouwarwick.wordpress.com/

I would never give credence to 18- 21 yr old men who choose to write these stupid text messages. They should know better, especially given the University they were attending. However, and there is an however, they were caught, punished and ultimately they did nothing more than behave dreadfully online. Vernacular HAS changed people use freely words that 20 yrs ago were totally taboo. If these guys prove to be violant, with a previous history of sexual attack- i’ll eat my words. I suspect a bunch of guys with egos, which thankfully the Uni and no doubt their parents dealt with.
My argument stands- the words that were demonised 10-20 yrs ago, are now used freely- need i write them? I dont think so. Also, women can be just as bad. I stand with the opinion that they got caught and punished, students will learn from it, and everyone should crack on- either showing understanding or getting the shits at every possible slight. Mwahs.

If these guys prove to be violant, with a previous history of sexual attack- i’ll eat my words. I suspect a

You’ve read the link I’ve just posted, yes?

Chuck in this as well:

www.thebubble.org.uk/current-affairs/student-life/we-need-to-have-a-conversation-about-group-chats/

Now I suspect that he is (a) the ring-leader and (b) the person who has actually been expelled. But you are welcome to make excuses for a rich sociopath. I’ll save my sympathy for his victims.

they did nothing more than behave dreadfully online.

What about the part when one of them showed the online chat to the woman named in it, to her face, in order to make her feel threatened? Would you brush it off as a bit of ego if a man you shared accommodation with did this to to you?

These topics lose a their importance when people quote from one nutter to the next. Bumble or whatever.org does NOT make it true. Look into how Warwick dealt with it, what their procedeurs were. Were they lacking? Tell me? I am on the side of the right here- not the foaming at the mouth lot who don’t understand what happened. These boys were outrageously out of line. End of.

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I'm not worried about my safety. I'm more concerned about expressing my disgust about the situation and what the university and profession plan on doing about a man who only escaped being put on the sex offenders register by virtue of his current status, despite being found guilty.

I suspect a bunch of guys with egos, which thankfully the Uni and no doubt their parents dealt with

Like fuck. The parents presumably are the people that funded the lawyers to get them back in, and the parents are the people that raised them. I doubt the parents have done anything other than say “there there, let us use our money to make it right for you”.

Were they lacking? Tell me?

Yes. They questioned the victims about their sexual history with their being represented or even accompanied by a friend; my university’s procedures would make that entirely unacceptable. They had the whole case “investigated” by the PR DIrector of the university, which is a clear conflict of interest: again, my university’s procedures would always put a senior academic into that role. So that’s two ways in which their procedures were lacking as compared to a comparable university.

with their being represented

withOUT, of course.

Look into how Warwick dealt with it, what their procedeurs were.

The simple fact that they questioned the victims when there was no question what happened and who did what shows procedural bias at best.

Yes. They questioned the victims about their sexual history with their being represented or even accompanied by a friend; my university’s procedures would make that entirely unacceptable. They had the whole case “investigated” by the PR DIrector of the university, which is a clear conflict of interest: again, my university’s procedures would always put a senior academic into that role. So that’s two ways in which their procedures were lacking as compared to a comparable university.

Another academic here and I can't get over how inappropriate this is.

Also the fact a) that the very graphic rape threats had been deliberately shown to one of the girls to intimidate her and people are still defending it as "private conversation" b) the response of these men when caught was to state online that they would do it again. Now that really sounds reassuring and as if they have been "dealt with", does it?

Warwick UCU have made a very strong statement on twitter condemning the university's approach.

What i take from all this, is not the poor conduct of out country’s students, but the lack of ability of grown adults ( I hope!) being unable to decipher fact from online clickbate rubbish. Ladies... if its some nonsense before a .org or something equally crap, with lots of big words in big writing- it without doubt isnt true.
( and we all wonder how brexit happened 🤔)

Reflectent that’s horrific.

What i take from all this, is not the poor conduct of out country’s students, but the lack of ability of grown adults ( I hope!) being unable to decipher fact from online clickbate rubbish. Ladies..

Yes, we get that you think it’s normal for young men to behave like this. Some of us don’t have such low expectations of the male sex, however.

Here is one of the female students stating that this wasn’t just a private conversation. This was on the BBC, hopefully that meets your approval as a reliable news source:

mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/1091278276599803904

You’ve given yourself away with “Ladies”, btw.

What the VC should have said was:

Our main concern is for the effect on the future of the young women who were the victims of these threats.

We accept that being forced into contact with these young men in the course of their studies would be detrimental to their wellbeing and is likely to have an adverse effect on their studies.

It is clearly unacceptable that students who have done nothing wrong should be driven out from the university or be unable to achieve their full potential due to our failure to provide a safe learning environment.

We are therefore taking legal advice to find out how we can best protect them.

We also accept that the original enquiry was carried out in an inappropriate manner, without proper procedure and with inappropriate questions asked of the victims. We would like to apologise unreservedly to the young women in question and are carrying out an investigation with a view to establishing better procedures.

Just caught up with this. Bloody hell. The level of violence of these texts has escalated. @GCAcademic where did you get the information about the death threat text? As to the comments revealed in the victims new and brilliant letter to the VC on The Boar, they are a new level of contempt.

I'm really concerned that the university's PR director, a man in his 60s, whom I have also met several times, conducted these interviews.

Ickle thank you so much for that last post! I've never realised until that how the Internet works! Silly me.
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Vernacular HAS changed people use freely words that 20 yrs ago were totally taboo. If these guys prove to be violant, with a previous history of sexual attack- i’ll eat my words. I suspect a bunch of guys with egos, which thankfully the Uni and no doubt their parents dealt with.
My argument stands- the words that were demonised 10-20 yrs ago, are now used freely- need i write them?

I hope that demonizing wannabe rapists is the cultural norm in 10-20 yrs time.

As a society we need to stop excusing this sort of language and behaviour as just "lads being lads", "banter" or locker room talk. Let's put our young women first for once.

If you think this kind of language is acceptable then you're a part of that awful culture and just a disgrace to society, no matter your social standing.

I'm really concerned that the university's PR director, a man in his 60s, whom I have also met several times, conducted these interviews.

And why did the complainants need to be interviewed? The facts of the chat were undisputed. By definition it wasn’t private because if it were private, no one would know about it. So what could the complainants add? And of what possible relevance was their sexual history?

Warwick is sounding like the SWP in the comrade delta affair, closing ranks to protect an abuser. But in that case he was Party cadre. Why did Warwick want to protect some second years?

I think my point was quite steadfast in that their behaviour/ language was appalling!!! They got kicked out of their university, publicly shamed. Good. Deserved . Nothing less would have really upset me. The point of this thread is that after 1 yr exclusion they got let back onto their course. What should have happened?

Have them excluded. They can go somewhere else.
Keep the initial ban.
If it really was necessary to lower the ban, make it so that all the victims would have graduated by the time the men came back.