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smcbride · 31/01/2019 07:42

Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 03/02/2019 10:37

Ickle. Your comments worry me. Would you want these sickos with same Uni as your daughter.
In my opinion (which I am allowed). Your sound very apologetic to them and rather disregarding to the victims , and They are victims.

swanlife · 03/02/2019 10:48

Reflectent it concerns me because it was found that some members of the group chat had never even posted. Their name gets smeared in the press when they've done nothing wrong. I'm in loads of group chats at uni. Two I have permanently muted for different reasons. Anything could be going on on them. I only check in once a month 💁
My department has been great about it. Male tutors have been talking to the girls in their tutor groups saying they'll always listen, and if they ever feel unsafe on campus to come and chat to them.
The tab fucked up. It wasn't their place. Some comments were horrific and vile, others weren't. You can't paint everyone in that group chat with the same brush.

MerdedeBrexit · 03/02/2019 10:53

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ReflectentMonatomism · 03/02/2019 11:10

concerns me because it was found that some members of the group chat had never even posted. T

The Tab article which names them only names people who did post, and quotes their posts. Presumably some of the seven who were suspended but were not named by The Tab did not post; the four who were named did post. They were active participants.

Moreover, the group was named “Fuck women disrespect them all”. I have little time for the claim that people might have been members of a group chat with that name without having some sense of its content, muted or not.

And the claim that the university has been so supportive needs dissecting too. The complainants complained. The university’s response was to have the Press DIrector aggressively question them about their sexual history. You believe this wouldn’t happen again because...?

ForgivenessIsDivine · 03/02/2019 11:22

@Ickle37. . How can you excuse this behaviour when people are being hounded out of their jobs for insisting that the term women is applied to females .. why is this rape culture and violent language towards women not 'literal violence' and a hate crime, why is the real lived experience of these women not enough to demand they have a space to study and live that is free from this hatred and violence.

pumpkin1976 · 03/02/2019 11:35

I confused how this is a management failure? It was a panel of people that made the decision. This panel consisted of women/academics/students. The management, whatever their views have to stand by this decision I guess (maybe not - however you might as well have just one person make the decision, although that would be deemed inappropriate and not fair I guess)

I hope now Warwick will support the victims (they say they haven’t been supported, I don’t know them so can’t say either way)

I’m sure as well Warwick will handle future disclosures differently and learn from this.

It’s interesting that people say they don’t want to share a space with people that have those views/or male those comments. Unfortunately I’m sure there are many other students at Warwick, other institutions, who have info on either their DBS or spent convictions for all sorts of things that we simply don’t know about. Rather than simply shoving people over onto another institution, or making them go underground, work with them, help them change for the better and learn (whilst supporting victims of corse)

SchadenfreudePersonified · 03/02/2019 13:26

They didnt rape anyone, nor threaten physically anyone. Do you honestly think their lives should be ruined , forever?

ickle - If their lives are ruined (IF!) - then they have only themselves to blame - no-one else.

Plus, do you not think that the lives of the women involved/ threatened are not affected permanently? This is a huge abuse of trust as well as a disgusting way to behave.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 03/02/2019 13:29

you are welcome to make excuses for a rich sociopath. I’ll save my sympathy for his victims

Well said Reflectent

SchadenfreudePersonified · 03/02/2019 13:47

TooManyPaws

I realised that TooMany - sorry if that wasn't clear in my response to your post.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 03/02/2019 14:08

so what happens if the female students decide to stay on at warwick for postgrad / phd or even get a job there?

GCAcademic · 03/02/2019 14:19

The Tab article has been edited now. One of the boys who was named has had his photo and quoted messages removed. No doubt this delightful young man (the subject of the Wordpress blog linked above) is the one whose daddy had got him an expensive lawyer to threaten the university with:

twitter.com/DrKimberlyJamie/status/1092016825418825729

JacquesHammer · 03/02/2019 14:26

so what happens if the female students decide to stay on at warwick for postgrad / phd or even get a job there?

Then I’d say it may well be that the perpetrators have to move elsewhere.

ReflectentMonatomism · 03/02/2019 14:38

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

GCAcademic · 03/02/2019 15:10

I'm all for giving people another chance, but it seems that some people just don't learn. Or, rather, what they learn is that they can get away with more and more as institutions will always give them those second, third and fourth (ad infinitum) chances:

twitter.com/AmySmith7471/status/1090948347710578689

MerdedeBrexit · 03/02/2019 15:16

Looks as if The Tab is not the only one to have been got at by the lawyers. That man’s name and photo have been removed from other articles on the subject, and photos of the screen shots have had his words pixellated out. Talk about denial. I didn't think it could be libel if it could be proven, though, so I wonder what the lawyers have threatened the papers with? Unless the man in question is denying it was him, I suppose.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 03/02/2019 15:29

Is it the guy who said he mutilate a woman’s vulva with straightening irons who has had Daddy pay to remove his name? Because I would say his comments were the most indicative of future violence towards women and should have been investigated by the police.

danceyourselfsilly · 03/02/2019 16:18

Letter to VC from Media Dept at Warwick Uni
warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/whatshappening/news/?newsItem=8a1785d86850d8d90168a4d937640ee8

willyloman · 03/02/2019 16:19

Warwick uni seem to believe that if they simply throw burble at this it will all simply go away; like those pesky moaning complainers...If management is not responsible for the behavior of students - who is? I really hope people vote with their feet and wallets on this one. Feel sad for any decent students at this uni. They need to reclaim their campus from these institutional bullies. Appointing the press officer to oversee the process really shows where the leadership's priorities lie.Disgraceful.

loveyouradvice · 03/02/2019 16:27

www.change.org/p/stuart-croft-don-t-allow-those-involved-in-group-chat-at-warwick-uni-back-say-no-to-violence-on-campus

hi all.. i've signed .. do join me. SO IMPORTANT

tattyheadsmum · 03/02/2019 16:51

I don't think it's anything to do with defamation. I suspect they've argued that this is a breach of his privacy as a result of to a "reasonable expectation of privacy" in private communications.

And are essentially trying to make sure that any future Google search by an employer doesn't highlight what a total scumbag he is.

tattyheadsmum · 03/02/2019 16:57

Of course, if that's correct and it was Ben Clements that showed the thread to the unnamed female student then arguably he's undermined that right. Would be good if someone offered to represent The Tab pro bono to dispute.

ReflectentMonatomism · 03/02/2019 17:41

Would be good if someone offered to represent The Tab pro bono to dispute.

It’s tricky, because the only facts on the table are those resulting from the Warwick inquiry, and Warwick will not and cannot release that. So The Tab story is based on what they hope/think is a leaked copy of the real inquiry, but in principle could be entirely fake, or a contested draft, or otherwise invalid.

Warwick’s only real option to comment on it is “no comment”, or that old intelligence agency standby of “neither confirm nor deny”.

So if someone who relies on a leaked copy ends up in court, they can’t claim it’s fact (because it’s a leaked copy of a report they did not write based on interviews they were not party to, and might indeed be fake anyway) and they can’t compel the original authors to stand behind it (because they didn’t ask for it to be leaked, and they aren’t a party to the court case).

So with enough of a scary lawyer behind them, one of the perpetrators could just stonewall and say “nope, it didn’t happen like that, you are defaming me to say that it did; it’s none of your business what did happen, but this didn’t”.

The Tab would be left trying to prove that their story was true (on civil balance of probabilities) but with no evidence.

Of course, given that the complainants are clearly brave and strong women, and clearly keen to resolve the issue, The Tab could ask them to appear as witnesses. But they presumably have no knowledge of the content of the group other than their recollections of the few items they were shown.

This doesn’t effect what the university does, of course.

ReflectentMonatomism · 03/02/2019 17:41

*affect

tattyheadsmum · 03/02/2019 18:02

Good

ReflectentMonatomism · 03/02/2019 18:02

Interestingly, it’s just one of them that’s got scary lawyers: he’s throwing his friends under the bus. Anyone who’s done some game theory will be aware of The Prisoner’s Dilemma: clearly the history and modern languages departments of Warwick are going to be staging a real-life demonstration.

For comparison:

thetab.com/uk/warwick/2018/05/09/named-and-pictured-the-warwick-boys-who-made-rape-jokes-in-their-group-chat-28615

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190131124100/thetab.com/uk/warwick/2018/05/09/named-and-pictured-the-warwick-boys-who-made-rape-jokes-in-their-group-chat-28615" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190131124100/thetab.com/uk/warwick/2018/05/09/named-and-pictured-the-warwick-boys-who-made-rape-jokes-in-their-group-chat-28615

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