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#shameonyouwarwick

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smcbride · 31/01/2019 07:42

Warwick Police haven't prosecuted anyone for these vile rape threats and Warwick uni are now letting (some of?) the perpetrators back in to study at the same university alongside those they discussed threatening to rape.

Would you be happy sending your child here?

Warwick students suspended over rape threats allowed to return earlyly*_

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RedDogsBeg · 31/01/2019 16:15

The statement says they will return after the complainants have completed their degrees and left and yet the Open Letter from one of the complainants states they will be still be at Warwick when these delightful examples of male humans return in September - so which is it Warwick?

That statement is just further hole digging.

uniname · 31/01/2019 16:25

Have name changed for this. My DS is at Warwick and has a large group of male / female friends there.
He absolutely loves the uni but is completely disgusted by what has happened.

Steamedbadger · 31/01/2019 16:28

I'm rather appalled that they are allowed to return at all, but some at least (hopefully all?) have been thoroughly named and shamed (with photographs) so I don't think they will have a very comfortable time there.

Momdeguerre · 31/01/2019 16:32

I don't really understand the OP reference to the Police or why this hasn't been to the Police? It appears it's only been dealt with as an internal disciplinary issue by the University which doesn't seem very helpful.

sashh · 31/01/2019 16:33

The tab gave named them again and added pictures

thetab.com/uk/warwick/2018/05/09/named-and-pictured-the-warwick-boys-who-made-rape-jokes-in-their-group-chat-28615

GCAcademic · 31/01/2019 16:34

The Provost’s statement did say that they had referred the matter to the police, but the police didn’t feel there was anything that that they could bring charges against.

Flamingomum19 · 31/01/2019 16:45

I’m okay with the decision to let them return once the women involved have graduated. Legally the university could t get shot o the students forever. I wasn’t party to he appeal hearing...none of us were so we don’t know the minute details of what went on.

I personally wouldn’t withdraw an opprujity for my alighted to attend a Russell group Uni on the basis of this. Warwick’s a great Uni and is respected by employers and the like. It’s peoples choice if they want to withdraw their kids from the possibility of a place. I’d flame my parents if they did that on my behalf!

Comments were made in a Facebook group, that went public. Sick comments. I struggle to see how the men involved would even want to return. In reality if they get kicked out of Warwick they’re not going to get a place anywhere else (I know many of you will say good but that’s the reality for them) I don’t feel sorry for them just trying to be objective about everything.

For the person who said the women who’ve made certain comments should be ashamed of themselves, thank you for your helpful input. I’m not a rampant feminist but I understand about patriarchy/feminism - I did women’s studies at Uni. Just because someone feels the Uni haven’t been completely feckless doesn’t mean I should be ashamed of myself.

God if we are all true feminists we’d have an issue with Mumsnet (clues in the title!) Its the epitome of white middle class 🙄

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 31/01/2019 17:14

I am sure that at other universities they would have been asked to leave. Certainly any Oxbridge college would have sent them down.

I have rung Warwick undergraduate admissions and told them, quite truthfully, that I shan't let my teenage DS apply there, and I will be discussing this story at every parents coffee morning I go to. Since my kids are at highly selective London private schools, they and their friends are exactly the sort of kid who would have applied there.

MerdedeBrexit · 31/01/2019 17:24

Something similar happened in a Law Society group chat at Exeter University last year, but it was more racist than misogynistic. Those involved were first suspended and then, after investigation, expelled from the University, and those who had placements with law firms lost them immediately the chat was revealed.
That's the way to do it.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 31/01/2019 17:37

And didn’t somewhere like Harvard withdraw offers previously made to students in a similar case?

PerkingFaintly · 31/01/2019 17:41

"God if we are all true feminists we’d have an issue with Mumsnet (clues in the title!) Its the epitome of white middle class"

Thanks for joining MN for this thread, Flamingomum19.

I'd be interested to hear more about this statement of yours, as I don't quite understand it.

Is it based on the assumption that mothers aren't feminists, perhaps?

Or that white, middle class women aren't feminists?

Or... what?

Sorry, could do with some explanation.

ReflectentMonatomism · 31/01/2019 17:48

And didn’t somewhere like Harvard withdraw offers previously made to students in a similar case?

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/05/harvard-rescinds-admissions-offers-offensive-memes

ReflectentMonatomism · 31/01/2019 17:53

There's a statement from the Warwick provost which appears at odds with the media coverage.

warwick.ac.uk/insite/news/intnews2/statement-31jan19

"As a consequence, all those students for whom the major disciplinary cases were proven have broadly comparable penalties, and those penalties were set to allow the complainants to complete their studies before the disciplined students were given the opportunity to return (and there are a range of conditions imposed on that return)."

So is that the case, that the offenders cannot return until the complainants have graduated? Because that's not what the complainants appear to be saying today.

On the face of it, that statement doesn't seem unreasonable given that there were no prosecutions. But does anyone know for sure whether it's true?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 31/01/2019 18:29

Frankly having read the hateful comments they made I don’t think they deserve to be educated. Scum.

Pumperthepumper · 31/01/2019 18:33

I don’t think they deserve to be educated either.

I also think there would be a different outcome if they were regularly and consistently naming other men in their halls that they would like to rape.

MorningsEleven · 31/01/2019 18:39

Frankly having read the hateful comments they made I don’t think they deserve to be educated. Scum

Absolutely. This is what white, male privilege looks like and allowing them to return to university will merely reinforce that.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 31/01/2019 18:48

www.change.org/p/stuart-croft-don-t-allow-those-involved-in-group-chat-at-warwick-uni-back-say-no-to-violence-on-campus

I don’t know if it’s already been shared but here’s a link to the petition.

cnamechanger · 31/01/2019 18:50

Yeah, we wouldn't want to educate ignorant people. It's only for the virtuous Confused

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 31/01/2019 18:52

I don’t feel sorry for them just trying to be objective about everything

Hmm

Perhaps have a read of the comments they posted. Enjoy your objectivity. I will assume you or anyone in you family are not rape victims.

danceyourselfsilly · 31/01/2019 18:56

Sign the petition
I have

Aragog · 31/01/2019 18:56

These males are not children. They are supposedly intelligent beings.
When they wrote those comments they knew exactly what they were saying.

The fact that they wrote it in a private message is irrelevant. They are of an age where they are surely aware that anything written digitally is at risk of being seen by others, and that nothing is truly private when written on line or via text, etc. Every person of this age will have had several lessons about this kind of thing over several years of education.

The fact that they even thought this things, let along write the down and share them with others is abhorrent. They are a potential risk to women around them.

The minute they wrote those messages down and shared the with others was the minute they should have lost all rights to continuing their education.

They are not kids. They are adults. No excuses. They should be expelled from this university entirely and not allowed to return. They should have lost their right to be educated there.

They also threatened new students - freshers - albeit not names, just them all as a whole. The women who were names should be protected, and Warwick should be protecting the other women in their university - not these males.

TBH I am surprised any educational establishment would want to have them there and take the risk.

It sends out a very worrying message to future female students there. Basically Warwick University care more about the education of 4 males, than the risk to their female students.

cnamechanger · 31/01/2019 18:58

So what is it then, only burning or flaying alive for these young men? No chance of any redemption at all, ever?

As for the "I won't let my child attend Warwick" posts LMAO. Do you really honestly think that other universities are different? That these teenage boys at Warwick are pure evil and that there are none just like them at Oxford, Cambridge and everywhere else on the planet?

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 31/01/2019 18:58

The fact that they wrote it in a private message is irrelevant. They are of an age where they are surely aware that anything written digitally is at risk of being seen by others, and that nothing is truly private when written on line or via text, etc. Every person of this age will have had several lessons about this kind of thing over several years of education

This

cnamechanger · 31/01/2019 18:58

I have no skin in this game by the way, but the Internet mob mentality is terrifying to watch.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 31/01/2019 19:00

Oh stop being an apologist @cname. It's pitiful. Are you a parent to one of them?