The dictionary definition of woman is a hate crime now. AIBU or is this political correctness gone mad.

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Feminists across the UK have "defaced" statues by dressing them in T-shirts containing the dictionary definition of the word woman .More details here.
makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/mmnblog/a-womans-place-is-in-the-resisters-midnight-t-shirt-protest-sparks-outrage

Trans rights groups are calling this a hate crime. I hate to sound like such an old fogie but this it sounds like political correctness gone mad! How is this offensive? What's so offensive about the word woman I don't understand!

I said there's extremists at both ends.

As others have said, who are the feminists who are 'extreme'?

Have feminists stopped trans people from meeting, threatened them with baseball bats covered in barbed wire, barricaded them in balaclavas, stopped them from going to the pub by calling the police on them [I know, right]? If you are claiming this then can you substantiate it with receipts? Thanks.

Here's a useful thread.

twitter.com/BodmassIsBack/status/1090303241513062400?s=20

Thanks Ereshkigal. When it's all listed like that it's even more frightening.

Have feminists held an "art exhibition" with baseball bats and axes in the suffragette colours and "I punch trans people" T shirts with fake blood on them?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6iafrq/transdykesswithbaseballlbatsattwomensmarch/

www.change.org/p/tell-san-francisco-public-library-to-remove-exhibit-of-weapons-intended-to-kill-feminists

It will remove mental health services for Transexuals completely

Well exactly.

Many have other underlying problems. You can't weaopnise self harm and suicide then claim that it's not a mental.health issue just because you threaten people who point out that the suicide rates etc don't go down after transition.

If psychological help has been deemed hateful and transphobic where does that leave people with the dysphoria.

Right now the activists have the feminists to blame. But once everyone's been legally forced to comply what happens then? Whis to blame when every thing was as wanted yet people are no better off?

Accessing the right mental support is vital. Again it's just throwing the original trans people under the bus. Minus help.

These you tubers and Twitter families won't be around then will they. They won't be the ones picking up the pieces . That falls to us. And we will do it even though we have been treated this way cause a we actually care about people getting the right help and support.

No one cab answer what rights trans people don't have. The gra was only needed because sane sex marriage wasnt allowed before. It is now.

And that is common by the way.

When people on the Twitter and reddit communities express uncertainty they are ostracized.

So having encouraged then to believe their parents are hateful bigots. Their schopl and their friemds are notnsupoorting them.etc they turn their back on them.

Where does that leave these confused teens

Woman = noun
black, retarded, gay (other words mentioned above) = adjectives. Adjectives far easier to get wrong or to use incorrectly. Nouns are much harder.

'She is childish' - subjective
'She is a child' - fact (well, could say an adult is a child but we are usually saying 'you are behaving like a child, but cutting out a few words'

It is usually hard to cause offence with nouns/facts.

TRAs are more extreme maybe, but things like #killallmen, #killallwhitemen, #maletears are not a million miles away from the rhetoric above.

TRAs are more extreme maybe, but things like #killallmen, #killallwhitemen, #maletears are not a million miles away from the rhetoric above

A hashtag is quite frankly more than a million miles away from a baseball bat with barbed wire at a demonstration, and from smoke bombs being set off by balaclavaed men at a meeting women have arranged to discuss their own rights.

Totally agree , the mental health issues have been glossed over and ignored, the asd issue too. A friend’s 16 year old dd, who probably has Aspergers, who also has mental health issues, self harm, suicide threats, anxiety etc, is suddenly saying she wants to be a boy. She is now on track for hormone treatment ( doesn’t live in the UK). It is heartbreaking. This is the type of girl who would have had an eating disorder when I was at school. Transis just the current way if expressing inner turmoil and distress with the physical self, and with womanhood, for girls like her.
She would have had help with an eating disorder, emotional support and guidance. With a trans diagnosis she will be put in hormones and then onto surgery, which will damage her body beyond repair, and make finding a sexual partner far more difficult.
And THIS is progressive ? Women who speak on this are bigots ?
I feel absolute fury at the people trying to crush the voices of decent, kind, tolerant women. Women who have always supported minorities. So easy to harness cultural misogyny and dismiss middle aged women, but we have all been through puberty and understand how hard that shift can be from child to adult woman, when being a woman is only praised if you are a particular sort of woman. We have all felt uneasy in our own skin.
We have also, the vast majority of us, experienced some level of sexual assault and /or harrassment from males.
I support anyone in dressing how they like, living how they want to where that doesn’t have a negative impact on the basic safety needs of women and girls, or on their need for privacy from men.

#maletears sounds a bit innocuous until you consider that 84 men kill themselves each week.

It like 'she hashtagged 'male tears' so I decided to beat her up with a baseball bat with barbed wire'...thus demonstrating the very axis that the male tears hashtag was invented for.

#maletears sounds a bit innocuous until you consider that 84 men kill themselves each week

And men kill 2-3 women each week. But we are not allowed to be upset about that as we get 'not all men'...

Well male suicide can't be helped when rigid stereo types are enforce can they.

Maybe if being sensitive and kind wasn't a trait that got them.kicked into womanhood?

Hey, hold on - extremism doesn’t necessarily mean violent acts (per TRAs) - but encompasses beliefs that most people think are unreasonable and unacceptable (cf political or religious extremism).

but encompasses beliefs that most people think are unreasonable and unacceptable

What is extreme about keeping the law how it is?

And what's extreme about believing in biology

Well male suicide can't be helped when rigid stereo types are enforce can they.

I agree but women reinforce those stereotypes as much as men. Part of the reason why men are so fixated on being 'successful' is because many women value high status, assertive, men and especially those who are financially successful. A quick look on any dating website will make this very apparent.

And men kill 2-3 women each week. But we are not allowed to be upset about that as we get 'not all men'...

I think it's definitely something that needs addressed, but I do also think that the frequent cries of NAMALT are because we do hear so much about it. There is very little discussion of the taboo of male suicide by comparison, in spite of the significantly higher death toll, hence the frequent assertion that men are 'disposable'.

forrestplumpp that is so far from being the case I hardly know where to start.

NAMALT comes up every time someone tries to ask the genuine question - why is violence almost entirely a male problem? Why is virtually all sexual violence male? Is it culture? Is it innate? Is it toxic masculinity or is it that some men are programmed to be like that? Of course it's not all men but it is basically only men.

I have literally never read a mainstream newspaper article looking at this question.

I am, on the other hand, very aware of male suicide. As a mum of a boy (and a girl) I am highly alert to this issue. I have also heard many news stories on the issue. Charities trying to tackle it. People trying to raise awareness. Not enough by a long way and we need to do more. By contrast, the epidemic of violence by men on men and women is unmentionable. I think it's because it's so ancient, we don't even see it.

My twelve year old daughter was sexually harassed in the street a month ago. On her way to school. This is what male violence actually means - it's so insidious we don't even see it. Where was the last article you read exploring why men harass young school girls in school uniform at 7.30 in the morning? Never read it? That's because it's all around us - our senses have been dulled to it.

right

There was actually coverage of this a few months back.

Although of course the phone in blamed the girls . One caller was a bus driver on a school bus and was openly saying how the skirts were all too shirt etc

Another caller insisted his dd would be wearing trousers as if that somehow solve the problem.

Needless to say dd1 wears trousers most days now. Didn't stop her coming home and telling me the bin men were all staring at her.

She's also 12 btw.

And if she noticed it must he has because as you say it barely registers these days.its so entrenched in society it's normal...

Must be bad

Part of the reason why men are so fixated on being 'successful' is because many women value high status, assertive, men and especially those who are financially successful. A quick look on any dating website will make this very apparent.

Not all women. Those are the qualities I avoid. I knew you would blame women though, it's par for the course.

MRA classic line