To not understand why Prince Harry’s child...

[WellingtonPark]

...won’t be given the title of prince or princess?

Apparently PH and MM’s child will be given a lord or lady title instead.

Why is that? Beatrice and Eugenia are princesses after all.

Or will the child be bumped up to prince/princess when the queen dies?

Then the child may get a back dated title but I think Charles is quite keen to streamline the civil list and key royals so I think he may just leave it alone rather than elevate, in line with this. Happy to be corrected on that though!

Liz got the throne because her uncle abdicated with no issue so his brother (her father) became king. He had no sons so when he died, Liz got the crown.

-Edward VIII gave the throne for a wife,
-George VI saw more world war strife,
-Elizabeth II was crowned young and serene/and people still sing "God Save Our Queen!"

Neither is a Princess, Catherine could be referred to as Princess William, like Princess Michael of Kent, but uses the Duchess of Cambridge.

Kate and Meghan are both Princesses, by marriage and entitled to use the titles Princess William and Princess Henry respectively (as you say).

They use Duchess of Cambridge/Sussex because that is the primary title...

In England you are either a sovereign, a peer or a commoner.

Before William and Harry were married (and granted the peerages of Duke of Cambridge, Duke of Sussex), they were technically commoners.

When they were given peerages, this became their primary title

Hence their wives are known as Duchesses.

if she married could her spouse be Prince of Wales or does a Prince outrank a Princess and he’d need a lesser title?

Prince of Wales is the British equivalent of (the European) Crown Prince.
In Denmark & Norway, the heirs to the throne are male so there is a Crown Prince and Crown Princess.
In Sweden; the heir is female so she is Crown Princess Victoria but her husband is Prince Daniel.
The Prince of Wales question won’t arise till Prince George has children, ie a girl first.
It could be something like “The Princess of Wales and consort the Duke of X”

I should imagine if George has a hubby he'd be the Prince consort? He wouldn't be a Queen Consort and reigning Queens seem have Prince Consorts (I know William & Mary shared the throne though). He'd maybe get a title though?

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Then the child may get a back dated title but I think Charles is quite keen to streamline the civil list and key royals so I think he may just leave it alone rather than elevate, in line with this. Happy to be corrected on that though!

All of Charles' grandchildren will automatically become HRH Prince/ss when he takes the throne, it'll just be a case of what title his grandchildren will use.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are given the titles when they are born so that they don't need to change. Whilst he's keen to streamline it he's keen to streamline it to him and his children. I don't see him wanting his grandchildren to not be titled as the King's grandchildren.

Also it'll make no difference to the civil list as it's been abolished. The Sovereign Grant now only goes to the monarch and then it's up to them how they use it. So what he spends on William, Catherine, Harry and Meghan and their families is unlikely to change regardless of titles.

I should imagine if George has a hubby he'd be the Prince consort?

That would make sense

Similarly Queen and Princess Consort if we ever had a lesbian monarch?

Neither is a Princess, Catherine could be referred to as Princess William, like Princess Michael of Kent, but uses the Duchess of Cambridge.

Title wise Catherine and Meghan are exactly the same. They could be Princess William and Princess Henry, but their higher title saves that ugliness.

Once the Queen dies and Charles is King it's debateable if he can 'backdate' the titles of Harry's children or whether Harry would want that.

It's not debatable; as soon as Charles becomes King all of his grandchildren are entitled to HRH Prince/ss. The only debate would be if they used it, not the entitlement.

If you are a male line grandchild you have that right. Even after the death of your grandparent you retain that - after the death of George VI four of his grandchildren still became HRH Prince/ss (Alexandra and Michael of Kent and William and Richard of Gloucester).

@lalalalyra - thanks again. With that in mind titles now does make more sense than titles on his ascension.

lalalalyra - do you mean ‘after the death of George V?’

@LivLemler has got it spot on, a great summary!

I wonder if H will go with a traditional name, James, Alexander, etc? They seem a bit 'wacky' (by royal standards) to go with something normal. I bet Meghan wants Zephyr or Phoenix (both fab names BTW)

@RustyBear I do absolutely lol. Got VI on the brain thanks to DS's school project!

@kierenthecommunity

That's correct, there was a lot of talk at his birth that if the baby was a girl it would set a historic precedent the same will apply to his children.

When HM The Queen dies, William and Kate will be invested as HRH The Prince and HRH The Princess of Wales. Kate will not be Catherine, Princess of Wales unless they divorce.
H and Ms children will then be children of a son of a monarch grandchildren of a monarch and therefore entitled to use the titles HRH and Prince or Princess - however, Edward and Sophie have chosen not to do this which is why their children have the titles of the children of an Earl. When HRH The Duke of Edinburgh dies, the title will go to Edward and Sophie who will become HRH The Duke and HRH The Duchess of Edinburgh which will pass to their son in the future.

@Gunpowder Gelatine - I reckon normal first name, slightly less usual middle. I'm sure it will be lovely though.

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So in short a load of antiquated sexist claptrap and petty jockeying for position by a bunch of status obsessed chinless wonders
This with bells on - what a load of nonsense, the whole family won't last much longer but will just fade into a posh family in a nice Kensington house.

Lulujakey1

Do both the Queen and Prince Phillip have to die for the title Duke of Edinburgh to pass to Edward. If Prince Phillip dies first then his title pass to his eldest son Charles. When the Queen dies after that then Charles becomes Kingvand the title of Duke of Edinburgh returns to the crown and can be granted again?

Camilla wouldn’t have dared use Princess of Wales. It was put over she preferred to be Duchess of Cornwall but they were fooling no one.

The DOE title has to merge with the crown before it can be recreated for Edward.

It was ''reported'' in our media last week that it was only a pillow and its all fake.... roll eyes.

Some people are just plain nasty about a young couple expecting their first baby.

Agree, and I like Harry and Meghan, but 'young' couple? They're both late thirties now.

I did laugh when Robbie William’s daughter asked Fergie if she was a princess and she answered yes.

Is she entitled to be called a princess? I remember a big discussion about what Diana was allowed to be called after the divorce but can’t remember the result.

Also, it might have already been mentioned but I think Edward’s son goes by the title the Viscount Severn not lord. Louise is Lady Louise of Windsor.

All I can say is that is a flippin blessing.