To not understand why Prince Harry’s child...

[WellingtonPark]

...won’t be given the title of prince or princess?

Apparently PH and MM’s child will be given a lord or lady title instead.

Why is that? Beatrice and Eugenia are princesses after all.

Or will the child be bumped up to prince/princess when the queen dies?

So ... too lazy to Google ... who are Prince Michael of Kent and Princess Alexandra?

Princess Alexandra is the granddaughter of George V (daughter of his youngest son, Prince George). Prince Michael of Kent is Her younger brother. They are first cousins of the queen and also related to Prince Philip through their mother.

So he got the title of prince despite not being a grandson of the king when he was born, but rather a nephew?

His father was still the son of a King.

So if Prince Andrew had another child after the death of the Queen they'd still be HRH Prince/ss as they were still the grandchild of a monarch on the male line.

Otherwise you'd have siblings with different titles - the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra would be HRH Prince/ss, but their younger brother would have been Lord Windsor.

Beautiful Meghan will always be a Princess to me!

The titles and the uniforms - they literally make it up as they go along.

We should start again and get them to slug it out like it's 1219, winner rules.

Well, luckily all this nonsense will not matter once the monarchy is abolished, which I think will happen quite soon after the current queen dies. Will probably lead to a drop in sales of OK magazine, but oh well.

once the monarchy is abolished, which I think will happen quite soon after the current queen dies.

Wishful thinking on your part. The public adore Dianas boys, maybe when William dies there might be a rethink, but on the other hand the public is enamoured with George.

By which time, Harry will be so far down the pecking order, he'll be all but forgotten, much like the Kents, or Gloucesters - very few could actually name them

Wouldn't worry about it. The baby has a life of luxury ahead, despite the bore of having to occasionally pretend they give a toss about the 'people', and if it's a girl she will get the loan of a tiara when she marries.

chinless wonders.

That’s spiteful.

By which time, Harry will be so far down the pecking order, he'll be all but forgotten, much like the Kents, or Gloucesters - very few could actually name them

I think that will take a fair while like you say.

Anyone of my parents or grandparents generation would know the Kents and Gloucesters because of the stuff they did because the Queen and her sister were young and had only one sibling. That will be the same I think with Harry - he'll stay relevant until William's children are much older.

His life until George is 18 is probably a mirror path to the Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester in that if Charles dies while George is young Harry will be the one in line to be George's regent so his relative (in comparison to William) freedom will be curtailed.

I'm wondering what colouring H&M's baby will have. Ginger hair and tanned skin lol?

Not sure why this is funny to you? I know people in real life with this colouring and they are beautiful

Random goggle pictures attached for a example

H and M baby will be a wee beauty, just as W & K wee ones are.

I think it's something to do with eldest son of the eldest son of the monarch. Possibly letters patent involved on the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

Spot on AutumnCrow - I understand that Her Maj dances widdershins around a burning effigy of the current PM (not naked, obviously - she is clad in Hermes scarf, Barbour Jacket and her second-best Hunter wellies) and consults the Runes (shaved into the backs of specially-trained corgis) as to which title to bestow.

Also, when Charles becomes King, William will be installed as Prince of Wales, so Kate will become the Princess of Wales.

Also, when Charles becomes King, William will be installed as Prince of Wales, so Kate will become the Princess of Wales.

Whilst this is technically correct, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kate does not use the title in the same way Camilla (who is currently the Princess of Wales) doesn’t.

The child will be a DDGC not a DGC of the reining monarch. So unless there's a dispensation, the child will be too far down the succession/generations away from ruling monarch to qualify automatically. If memory serves, George, Charlotte & Louis only get their HRH due to dispensation- due to Lizs longevity they are technically in the same boat as Harrys brat to be but as the kids of the heir-to-the-heir, George at least ought to be a "prince", so they have dispensation. This makes sense as once Charles is king they'll be the DGC of a reigning monarch, DC to the heir and still high up the succession.
H & M could go the Anne route though and say no altogether. Something tells me she they won't though!

Thanks to a question on here, then my googling skills, I've learnt that Prince Michael of Kent is the Queen's cousin and Queen Mary's grandson. I didn't know that. Feel shocked. Feels like previous monarchs weren't that long ago too .

Becoming Prince of Wales isn't automatic, it needs to be conferred. Be interesting to see if there is any call for the title or if Charles does it.

I think if he does he'll just be given the title without an investiture. The costs of that, following a coronation, would be controversial.

If memory serves, George, Charlotte & Louis only get their HRH due to dispensation- due to Lizs longevity they are technically in the same boat as Harrys brat to be but as the kids of the heir-to-the-heir, George at least ought to be a "prince", so they have dispensation

George's title was automatic. The eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales is automatically HRH Prince in the same way as the monarch's male line grandchildren.

I know the POW title is not automatic, but would think they will still follow tradition! I agree re the cost of an investiture but I think the Welsh might be a bit miffed not to have the ceremony!

Some bitchiness on here. Have to feel sorry for the posters.

Edward is an Earl because when Liz and Phil die, he is going to become the Duke of Edinburgh.

Harry’s brat to be? What a mean thing to say. I agree with MakeItAmazing about the bitchiness on here. Some people are just plain nasty about a young couple expecting their first baby.

If memory serves, George, Charlotte & Louis only get their HRH due to dispensation- due to Lizs longevity they are technically in the same boat as Harrys brat to be but as the kids of the heir-to-the-heir, George at least ought to be a "prince", so they have dispensation

George's title was automatic. The eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales is automatically HRH Prince in the same way as the monarch's male line grandchildren.

indeed. And because of the change in primogeniture, (which meant that if William and Kate's eldest had been a girl she'd have ascended the throne) Letters Patent were issued to say all W+K's children would be HRH. Otherwise you'd have had Lady Charlotte (future queen) then HRH Prince George (not future King) - had Charlotte been born first, obviously.

And yes...Harry's brat to be FFS ???

The proper term is sprog. Or at a pinch, sprout.