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To think Tina Malone deserves no sympathy

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poldarkssecretlover · 26/01/2019 09:36

She's in trouble legally for allegedly sharing photos of one of James Bulgar's killers. She is getting lots of support online but I think people are letting their hatred of the crime cloud their judgement. Surely exploiting a tragedy to get attention is not something that should be applauded! This wasn't done with any intention of "helping" James's family, was it?

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BrylcreamBeret · 26/01/2019 14:22

Finding, to address your first reply I was only responding to your comment about not understanding why the killer kids in question get more hate than any other murderers, I wasn't talking about one of them being exposed online. Beautiful and innocent - well yeah, kids are generally thought to be innocent and not able or capable of thinking of such crimes let alone of committing them which is why this case evokes such a powerful response from people. It's beyond comprehension for many people. I genuinely hth.

sittingonthetallseat · 26/01/2019 14:29

IMO - they should have got life with no chance of parole whatsoever

These sort of comments, and teh many others on this thread and elsewhere (saw one saying they should have been executed) really depress me.

They were young children. They were very young children. I don't know their family background but it is a pretty safe bet they weren't raised in a secure and loving and functional family/families. They were children not adults. Probably traumatised children to do something like that. Of course they deserved to be punished but also supported to to be given another chance.

Actually here is a bit about their family from the Guardian
Thompson was a member of what can only be described as a terribly dysfunctional family. The fifth of seven children, he proved as difficult to his mother as the rest of her progeny. Ann Thompson had been deserted by her husband five years before the killing of Jamie Bulger, and in the week after he left the family home burned down in an accidental fire. Left on her own, Thompson sought consolation in drink and was often to be found in the bar in Higson's Top House rather than looking after the children in her chaotic home.

There it was bedlam. The author Blake Morrison obtained notes from an NSPCC case conference on the Thompson family. "The Thompson report is a series of violent incidents," he reported, "none of them in itself enough to justify the kids being taken into care but the sum of them appalling. The boys, it's said, grew up 'afraid of each other'. They bit, hammered, battered, tortured each other."

The report is full of violent instances, with details of such incidents as Ann taking her third son Philip to the police station after he had threatened his older brother Ian with a knife. Ian, aged 15, subsequently asked to be taken into care and when he was returned home he tried to kill himself by overdosing on painkillers. The notes record that Ann and Philip had also previously taken overdoses.

The Venables household was also fraught but contrastingly so. While Susan and Neil Venables lived in separate houses a mile apart, they tried to bring up their children in a united way - Jon spent Sunday to Thursday with his mum and the rest of the week with his dad. But things were difficult. Jon's brother and sister both had learning difficulties and were being taught in separate special schools, while Jon himself was hyperactive and always playing up. It was Jon Venables, not Robert Thompson, who had a record of violence, having attempted to throttle another boy at school.

In January 1987, the police were called to Susan Venables' home because the children (then seven, five and three) had been left alone for three hours. Case notes observe that her "serious depressive problem" made Venables suicidal.

findingmyfeet12 · 26/01/2019 14:32

I still don't understand why more hate should be aimed at children over adults who also commit heinous crimes. I take your point that these crimes were a departure from the norm but I'm afraid it still doesn't answer my question.

I guess the fact that publications like the DM have such a large readership should go some way towards answering my question.

findingmyfeet12 · 26/01/2019 14:35

It's no good saying that IMO they should get life when you're basing that opinion on news coverage and no qualifications in psychology, criminology, etc.

I'm happy to be corrected if anyone here is an expert in these fields and has knowledge not based entirely on news reports.

BrylcreamBeret · 26/01/2019 14:40

More hate appears to be aimed at those men (not boys, they are adults now) because of what they did when they were so young. The public were understandably shocked. Nobody expected children to be capable of the crimes committed, have you read about the things they did? People are angry now as they were then because they're still shocked.

Gingerkittykat · 26/01/2019 14:46

I can imagine that lots of dodgy stuff goes on with these paedophile hunters Ginger. I'm always suspicious when they are so keen to post videos of their stings. They enjoy the publicity. Why not just quietly hand over the evidence to the police?

The whole point is public humiliation of the person they are doing the sting against. These videos are shared widely so will get to neighbours, workmates, friends and family. The person might lose their job and home.

They always tell people not to take vigilante action but people frequently damage homes, chase the person out of the area etc

The hunters never show their faces during the stings.

PrincessScarlett · 26/01/2019 14:51

I don't understand how their parents don't have the same level of hatred aimed at them. At 10 years old those boys had learned about life from dysfunctional and disturbed family life. I know not all abused/neglected children go on to commit such awful crimes but their upbringing had a lot to do with it.

As for Tina Malone, she's an idiot and potentially put an innocent person at risk if they are attacked in a case of mistaken identity.

findingmyfeet12 · 26/01/2019 14:51

This is just going around in circles - what they did when they were so young. Exactly. When the law deemed that they should not be treated as adults in terms of sentence.

The idea that people hate someone more for what they did as a 10 year old than someone who has committed heinous crimes with an adults reasoning and understanding is still perplexing to me.

MoreCheeseDear · 26/01/2019 14:59

Stupid woman deserves all she gets.

Servalan · 26/01/2019 15:02

findingmyfeet12 - I agree with everything you have said on this thread

Re what someone else said about platforms - I reported one of these "Bulger killer identity" posts to Facebook once on the basis that it was illegal and dangerous, only to get a reply that it didn't contravene the community's guidelines - so I think social media platforms do need to take a look at themselves.

sittingonthetallseat · 26/01/2019 15:05

More hate appears to be aimed at those men (not boys, they are adults now) because of what they did when they were so young

But they did those crimes as CHILDREN not as men. No adult should be held accountable for life for something they did when they were ten years old. And vulnerable ten year olds from violent/ neglectful/ chaotic and dysfunctional households at that.

The idea that people hate someone more for what they did as a 10 year old than someone who has committed heinous crimes with an adults reasoning and understanding is still perplexing to me

It's not just perplexing, it's bonkers

Ribbonsonabox · 26/01/2019 15:08

YANBU I totally agree. She deserves to be in trouble. Sharing pictures like that can lead to violence and it's usually vulnerable members of society most effected. Like you said she was exploiting tragedy for attention and ego boost.

MartaHallard · 26/01/2019 15:09

Actually here is a bit about their family from the Guardian....

What the hell was the Guardian thinking? Whatever the rights and wrongs of anonymity for the two boys, their siblings are innocent and are absolutely entitled to privacy. Yet confidential case papers with details of a boy's mental health are splashed all over? I hope the siblings have also been given new identities so this doesn't follow them throughout their lives.

And James Bulger's family have repeatedly said he wasn't known as Jamie, so I'm not impressed with any supposedly reputable newspaper that can't even get that right.

SlowNorris · 26/01/2019 15:13

No adult should be held accountable for life for something they did when they were ten years old ...

How about for something they did at 10 and have never learned from, despite rehabilitation, and have gone on to repeatedly reoffend?

NicoAndTheNiners · 26/01/2019 15:17

I've no sympathy for her.

I read in the paper that she was tweeting asking if anyone knew of a free solicitor who could help her. Wonder if it's sunk in yet that this is going to at the very least cost her financially because if she wants a decent solicitor I imagine she will have to pay.

In her shoes I would want to be paying the person who would give me the best chance of avoiding prison.

Servalan · 26/01/2019 15:21

How about for something they did at 10 and have never learned from, despite rehabilitation, and have gone on to repeatedly reoffend?

I don't believe that Robert Thompson has gone on to reoffend

anitagreen · 26/01/2019 15:22

But what they did at 10 years old isn't what normal children do, even 10 year olds that get arrested for crimes is no where near their level of depravity. They should never ever of been released, not only are they still a danger they clearly didn't learn anything whilst they was away

anitagreen · 26/01/2019 15:23

There was a story about Robert Thompson years ago saying that he was quite twisted and in a gay relationship nothing wrong with that, except he apparently thrived off people knowing who he was, who knows if it's the truth but there we go

findingmyfeet12 · 26/01/2019 15:27

anitagreen thanks for your comments. I test my case.

findingmyfeet12 · 26/01/2019 15:27

Rest

Bluntness100 · 26/01/2019 15:32

Onlyjoinedforthisthread no worries, easily done 😁

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 26/01/2019 15:42

I hate it when people call him Jamie. 'Jamie' was a misprinting error, I believe. Mind you not everyone would know that so naturally people would think he was known as Jamie rather than James.

buttertoff33 · 26/01/2019 15:43

But what they did at 10 years old isn't what normal children do

most children don't grow up in these circumstances either.

Most European countries have a far higher age of criminal responsibility. It's 14/15 in many countries and I think there is a good reason for it.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 26/01/2019 15:50

Finding. You sound rather sympathetic to these monsters.

anitagreen · 26/01/2019 15:51

But children have grown up in those circumstances and haven't done what they did, where do we draw the line at excusing them? The details of that case will haunt me for a very long time I wish I never ever read what they did to him.

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