To think Tina Malone deserves no sympathy

[poldarkssecretlover]

She's in trouble legally for allegedly sharing photos of one of James Bulgar's killers. She is getting lots of support online but I think people are letting their hatred of the crime cloud their judgement. Surely exploiting a tragedy to get attention is not something that should be applauded! This wasn't done with any intention of "helping" James's family, was it?

Finding I'm not saying I want him killed in the streets, why is he even on the streets? He's had his chance, he blew it. There are so many pedophiles who are released than do it again.

For me the fact that they were only 10 is pretty significant and a mitigating factor

Of course it is. A few months younger, or in some jurisdictions even at that age, they wouldn’t have been convicted of a crime at all!

I'm not saying I want him killed in the streets, why is he even on the streets? He's had his chance, he blew it. There are so many pedophiles who are released than do it again.

Venables is in prison. But if he was at liberty and to be identified, someone would kill him. I don’t have much doubt about that, and presumably the authorities don’t either, which is why he’s retained his anonymity.

I agree that he’s pissed his chance of freedom and living at liberty up the wall and should now have his licence revoked and remain in prison for a very long time.

This thread is about anonymity. If their anonymity was compromised they would be killed in the streets. That's the point.

People who think the sentence was insufficient should be campaigning for a change in sentencing policy not demanding their identity be revealed.

Finding but as threads generally do, we are discussing more than what the thread intended.

So you want him locked up rather than have his identity revealed? If so, I can understand that although I don't have all the facts of his subsequent offences. Schmoobarb said he's already in prison.

I do find your comments about human rights pretty appalling.

Finding well I can't help that, some people have zero humanity and don't deserve to being treated with any respect or sympathy. I get pissed off with the rights of the offender being more important than the victims. That's my opinion, you don't have to like it.

I'm surprised that most of the people on this thread aren't out campaigning for tougher sentences as they feel so strongly about this.

There are a lot of people wandering around our streets who have carried out heinous crimes and re-offended. They just don't make it into the headlines.

Please distinguish between Thompson who has been an exemplary case of rehabilitation, and Venables who continues to be a concern.

I think JV wants to stay in prison hence his reoffending and I also believe he identified his true self to coworkers at least once.

Not that I have any sympathy for him at all but I imagine being locked up from the age of 10 is all he knows and he probably feels somewhat safer in prison knowing there are vigilantes around every corner.

and Venables who continues to be a concern.

That really doesn't surprise me. He had to be sentenced to a custodial order due to what he did (and I totally agree with that) but it's hardly a surprise that somebody who in a young offender institute for not far short of half his childhood struggled to cope on the outside - think how much guidance our teenagers need? I think the only surprise is that he stayed out of prison for another 8/9 years before going back. His initial sentence should either have been longer and included proper rehabilitation that suited what he needed to be properly functioning member of society or have been a life sentence.

@PrincessScarlett

imagine being locked up from the age of 10 is all he knows and he probably feels somewhat safer in prison knowing there are vigilantes around every corner.

Yeah, it's a fucking shame ISN'T it? Let me get my tiny violin out!

Poor, poor little Jon Venables.

How tragic for him, having to worry about being identified, and vigilantes on every corner. My heart bleeeeeeeeds for him!

Still, could gave been worse - he could have been kidnapped by 2 ten years olds when he was 2, and beaten and slaughtered and left on a railway line, and then had his body smashed in by the next train that came past, and not HAD an opportunity to get a new identity and live his fucking life, whilst being protected by the law!

Imagine THAT ?

This thread is about anonymity. If their anonymity was compromised they would be killed in the streets. That's the point.

People who think the sentence was insufficient should be campaigning for a change in sentencing policy not demanding their identity be revealed.

Finding puts it very concisely!

@Aridane

'Finding' puts it very concisely!

'Finding' puts it very concisely IN MY OPINION

Corrected that for you.

newname

Whether something is concise is not really a matter of opinion.

I think she deserves a medal.
Those two murdering scumbags had no sympathy for James or his family, and now we're all meant to give a shite about their right to a costly new identity?
Nope.
The one she shared the picture of has twice as an adult been recalled due to viewing sick images, he deserves nothing but contempt.

How do you know the photos she shared were actually of Venables and Thompson?

I understand the reason for anonymity, but imagine you get a new neighbour? Or a friend/family member brings home a new boyfriend and you’ve got kids especially little boys? Do you agree that it’s fine for them or especially Venables even more so these days with his record, should keep his anonymity whilst being around your child and family? Would you not feel sick the day you learn you sat beside him eating a Sunday roast a few weeks ago. Even if he worked in your local petrol station, and you’d took change from the same hand which took that poor little boys life. There’s so many scenarios and I for one would want to know if that vile thing was anywhere near involved with my life or anyone else’s really.
Il give Thompson his do’s he’s kept his head down and is making the most of his anonymity but It would still make me sick knowing I’d ever rubbed shoulders with him.

But yet again, no explanation of what you’d actually do with this information. Demand he is moved elsewhere, so that the next set of neighbours can do exactly the same? Will you move elsewhere? (Let’s hope you don’t own the house - good luck selling.) Do you demand the petrol station sacks him and hope he has to move? Or are you thinking of a less ‘official’ option?

I’m not saying I’d want him next door either. But would knowing give me any practical power? Your over-emotive language around ‘the hands that gave me my change could be the hands that killed that poor child’ is the kind of trick the most downmarket tabloid columnist would use. You could be getting change from a murderer who wasn’t granted anonymity - sadly plenty of murders happen without the long-term publicity this one is received. The hands giving you your change could have been used to hold a woman down while she was raped, or to viciously beat someone. Are you personally going to vet all staff members before popping to Esso for a pint of milk?

Publicly revealing the new identifies and locations of these men can have no positive outcome in my eyes. There’s a list of ways it could be a disaster.

Yes, particularly given the under-reporting of rape and child abuse generally, the odds of you not having been given your change by a thoroughly unpleasant individual at some point are minimal. There isn't quite a paedophile on every corner but, well, not that far off really. And given the virtual certainty that you have had multiple casual interactions with rapists and child abusers throughout your life and will have many more, the change at the petrol station comment frankly is verging on grief tourism.

I think there's a reasonable point in there about more involved relationships, I'd find it something of a headfuck if I'd been pally with either of them at work without knowing for example. But the idea that things like sitting next to one of them on a bus, asking them which aisle the cat food is on, or anything of that nature would have an effect on you and is something you're entitled to be protected from is so innately ridiculous that it weakens the valid part of your argument.

I think it's highly likely people in prison will know his identity. Word gets round.

It would not surprise me if he gets
Killed in prison.

If he's not in the VP wing with all of the other nonces and such he will be.

Wasn't it in the news a few months ago he'd already had a kicking?
I'm not sure if I read that or that some prisoners knew who he was already?

He'll probably identify as a woman next and we (the tax payer) will have to pay for that due to his human rights!

Newname, I said I don't have any sympathy for JV. All I was trying to say was he'd prefer to be in jail knowing people are baying for his blood.

Buster wouldn’t surprise me, probably. get it too, his human rights and all that.

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned but what happens if one of them got a girl pregnant. Does his rights to anonymity over ride the girls right to not want a baby to a child killer.