To think the only people who want 'Nn Deal' have no idea what this means?

[KennDodd]

And don't believe you if you tell them. Facts and laws just seem to be wafted away as irrelevant.

Don’t you all know, the “Remain side” must somehow be immaculate in every, ironically, goalpost-shifty, way.

Dispassionate lists of numbers and peer-reviewed research articles only. Else it’s doing Remain no favours.

Also conveniently, then Leavers can accuse Remain of “having no soul”
and “it’s not about facts, you emotionless automata who only care about money” or whatever.

I work in the public sector, which bizarrely seems to be jampacked full of leave supporters.

The mantra 'short term pain, long term gain' keeps being repeated by colleagues. When I mentioned whether they would be happy to be out of work for the long term gain of the country, they just looked at me blankly.

Then I was accused of scaremongering (interesting as I have MUCH more info than they have about the likely effect of Brexit on my organisation, due to my role). Apparently, It's just like Y2K. A lot of fuss about nothing. We just need to crack on, as its all dragging on, and they're fed up with hearing about it.

Jesus wept.

Goalposts are not bing shifted. It not either or. In Brexit world it's GFA goes and trade is fucked up and we might not get medicines and we lose jobs and of other ands.

The leave campaign suggested a cash boost for the NHS not potential medicine shortages that will endanger lives

When £350million per week extra was promised for the NHS I'm not sure people had spending all that on refrigeration for stockpiling medicine or paying higher costs because of new trade tariffs was really what they had in mind. But hey ho.

Re 'democratic trust' and Brexit. There has never been a mandate for Brexit. Electoral fraud and misinformation are behind the supposed 52% result. Russian troll, factories supporting remain on twittter. Over funding of leave campaign etc, etc.

Smile.
Non Emotive Post

Everyone in the country will be worse off as a result of Brexit

The Daily Mash has published the Wetherspoon's Guide to a No-Deal Brexit:
ARE you a pants-wetting Remoaner who’s worried about no-deal Brexit? Here Wetherspoons regular Norman Steele answers your questions at 10am with a pint.
Should I be worried about food shortages?
Fuck off. We’ll grow our own food. All you need is soil and seeds, and male animals and lady animals. I wish Remoaners would stop overcomplicating things.
If there’s a short-term problem – which there won’t be – we can always do a Dunkirk and get our brave ‘little ships’ to go to a supermarket in Calais. I’m getting choked up just thinking about it.
Could there be civil unrest?
There will be if May’s traitor’s deal goes through. Me, Brian and Dave have agreed to make petrol bombs and do a riot. This is in no way bullshit pisshead bravado caused by 11 pints in Spoons.
Are we heading for an economic disaster? It certainly looks like it.
Project Fear 3.0, mate. Sony may be fucking off but we’ll just make better tellies. They’ll probably be totally interactive so you can shag Keeley Hawes in Bodyguard.
Should I start stockpiling medicines I need?
Nah. We’re a plucky, ‘can do’ nation. Make your own medicines from whatever you’ve got in the house. A few aspirins here, a bit of Benylin there. If you’re still feeling peaky have a few pints in Spoons.
In any case, we survived the war. Missing a few heart attack pills is nothing to this bulldog race who laughed in the face of U-boat attacks.
Why do you keep irrelevantly and offensively mentioning the war?
Because it’s the finest moment in our proud island history. Also I don’t know any other history because the kings-and-queens rubbish on History channel hasn’t got tanks or the SS.
No, seriously, what if I lose my job?
What’s the problem? More time to spend in Spoons.

Don’t you know, it’s Wrongy McWrongface to ever appeal to emotion over stone cold rationality and mathematics? If you’re a Remainer, that is.

@TheElementsSong
Is it? Shit. Ok, channeling rainbows and putting on rose tinted specs so I’ll sell the withdraw, symptoms (including psychosis, hallucinations and mania) as the best trip DD will ever go on.👍

I firmly believe anyone who can leave, should leave.

I’ve lost all hope in the UK. It’s finished. I don’t want to stick around to see how this plays out.

I’ve lost all hope in the UK. It’s finished. I don’t want to stick around to see how this plays out.

Yer what? Weren’t you cheerleading for No Deal here there and everywhere, and bemoaning hysterical UnBeLeavers for stockpiling? I find your lack of faith disturbing.

This came up on twitter yesterday

James Patrick @ j_amesp
Dying for no deal?

Leaving with nothing risks the lives of 29,000 British children.

How many of them are worth your vote?

He's commented before that he has a daughter with type1.

Is this type of propaganda (and yes it's propaganda) fair and legitimate?

Personally I don't particularly like it if I'm honest, but it's where UK politics is at. There was a lot of it at the 2017 GE and its quite obviously out of the Pandora's Box in the UK. Its been a common feature in US politics for a long long time.

I don't think it's necessarily helpful, but it does seem to strike nerves that logic and reason can't, that's for sure.

I wish we could wind the clock back on this.

Remember the government have done everything possible to hide what impact assessments they had from parliament and it became apparent they hadn't carried any at all out in some areas.

Impact assessments are the bread and butter of what you do before major policy changes and yet they have been amazingly absence from Brexit. Particularly with regard to no deal.

Instead where anything like this has been done its been written off as project fear anyway.

So I don't know what is left, but emotive appeals at this point. It's the only currency that is driving politics right now.

And yes, that's a very dangerous state of affairs. And yes I am very concerned by it.

I'd happily go back to the days where it wasn't dominating politics.

@TheElementsSong

Cheerleading, no. Didn’t want a referendum in the first place. I could accept No Deal in a vague sort of way, if only to get the whole sorry mess over and done with. But I don’t really care much anymore. This country can’t be rescued and no one wants to rescue it anyway.

I could accept No Deal in a vague sort of way, if only to get the whole sorry mess over and done with.

Do you really think it would achieve that? Or just add more fuel to the fire?

The only way to detoxify all this is to do things the long hard slow way.

But as you say, no one wants to do that. It doesn't work within the framework of a FPTP political system which is all or nothing every five years.

I find little to be optimistic about for that reason.

It's a festering sore upon our country.

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking

The lack of logic and personal morality is incredible

Would you mind explaining this please?

MrsAriadne's attitude reminds me of Field-Marshal Haig in Blackadder, sweeping up his soldiers with a dustpan and brush and calling for fresh ones.

Fuck the country up the arse, then decide it's all fucked now and you don't care any more. Slow clap.

Because no deal actually is better than a bad deal, May’s deal. It would be better to Leave in March with no deal, with WTO rules and start to move on from this whole mess. This has gone on for far too long, no need to prolong the agony.

Wonder who posted this on the first page of this thread MrsAriadneOliver?

@RedToothBrush

I don’t see any way out of this situation, any solution that everyone is happy with. If those in Westminster can’t put country above party and come to some consensus as to the best way forward, I sure can’t.

Fuck the country up the arse, then decide it's all fucked now and you don't care any more.

This situation wasn’t of my making.

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking

Morality?!

You voted for it, the least you can do is own it.

@Buteo

I was simply saying I think it would be better, if were going to Leave, to get it over and done with quickly. I’m sure you agree that it’s an unholy mess that has dragged on for too long.