Prince Philip back on the road

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I'm annoyed to read that he allegedly has a brand new Range Rover bad is back on public roads without a seatbelt today.

With elderly parents I know it's difficult but he's being a fool. OP post edited by MNHQ

Not ageism, fact!

www.brake.org.uk/facts-resources/15-facts/490-older-drivers

, I betcha, he would have been read his rights and accompanied to the station, points on his licence, but because it is Prince Phillip, totally different.

I believe there is an investigation under way. How do you know he wont get points or fine or whatever else can be given to him?

My point being discussing age related risk is not ageism did I say it was?
I said the ageism was rife on the thread which it was and is being deleted by mnhq. Aeroflot told me no there wasn't any ageism. There is!

It's not ageism to point out that someone pushing 100 is likely to have far slower reactions than the rest of us. The fact that he's already got a flash new car and is driving around without a seatbelt shows he doesn't give a flying fuck that he's caused an accident and caused significant injuries to other people.

He is obviously at fault.

But I do find the passenger if the other car running off to the papers with her story not in at all. Report to the police or complain to the local council. Fine.

Some of the things she said have now made me question whether the KIA driver wasn’t speeding. She was at such pains to point out that her friend was only travelling at 50 mph and they saw him ready to pull out on the side road 150 yards away. That is ample stopping distance for someone not speeding and paying attention.

Accidents like this happen all the time. Hundreds of accidents every day. It is probably time someone did something about introducing a mandatory driving test for anyone over 80. Maybe the upside of this is that they will. It may be the only way to wrestle my dad’s driving licences off him.

Err Aeroflot I didn't say talking about elderly road drivers is ageist but posts like "silly old fool" and the other example i posted above ARE AGEIST. Don't know what's hard to understand about that

It's also ageist to say that 17 is far too young to be driving. My DD passed her test at age 17 and 6 months. She is a very good, careful and considerate driver.

Don't lump all young drivers together and don't lump all older driver together. There are poor drivers in all age ranges.

ManicUnicorn

It's not ageism to point out that someone pushing 100 is likely to have far slower reactions than the rest of us

That's right, its not! :)

Not ageism, fact!

Yes, and teenagers cause even more accidents, let's ban them. Actually, all under-25s. While we are at it, men cause more accidents than women, they shouldn't drive, surely.

Yeh that's right apollo. Although I haven't seen posts like that on here. Maybe I missed them.

We do not know the cause of the accident for all we know the woman that crashed into him was in the wrong, speeding? Texting while driving? not paying attention.

Yes we do, he pulled out of a minor road into the path of a car on a major road. 100% his fault.

Of course you have slower reflexes at 97

Very selfish of him to be driving around in a new car without a seatbelt. There was a child in the other car fgs he could've killed them. He doesn't give a flying fuck does he?

The difference between young drivers and old drivers is obviously that young drivers will eventually become older drivers and need to develop driving experience. That clearly is not needed by someone who is nearly 100!

On any thread about a particular section of society there will be people who use the thread to bash that section of society. Those posts will be deleted and the conversation will carry on. That's mostly what I see happening here. It seems to me that it's Prince Philips personality rather than his age that may be the problem. Not sure how we can legislate for that though.

I agree Whisky anyone can have an accident, but when you are older because of changes to your reactions and body, more likely. There are some very good older drivers about. I have been in cars where there are younger racer types, 17 and just passed their test, and ones who were older, and sight not too good and reactions, in both situations I felt unsafe. I was in my teens at the time, and just felt not able to speak up, now I would.

Prince Phillip failing to see oncoming cars and pulling out without seeing or looking properly caused a collision which could have ended fatally.

You are assuming a) he didn't see or look properly, and b) that that was due to his age. It absolutely is ageism.

I'm no royalist, but this coverage, and these threads, are abhorrent. Ageism is rife across this site, from the parenting boards where the general assumption is that grandparents are stuck in the Victorian era devoid of the capacity to read or keep up to date, to fucking style and beauty where we frequently read about poor old souls in their 60s needing advice on an outfit for a wedding and being directed to some hideous department store ensemble no self respecting 90 year old would be seen dead in. It's disgusting.

Is a fit person of his age, who passes the required tests, automatically more likely to cause an accident than a boy racer with his mates in the car? Or a person texting? Or a person with scrapping kids in the back? Or a crying baby? Anyone can be distracted or momentarily blinded by the sun. The instant assumption that age has caused this, without evidence or investigation, is ageist.

Don't worry about Prince Philip, I've asked his missus to have a strong word in his ear and she carries a lot of weight.

Given that the woman in the other car has lied about the weather, I'd take anything else she says with a pinch of salt. And would she expect any ordinary person to send her flowers after their car had just been written off? To do so would be heavily frowned on by the insurance company and could even invalidate the policy.

Yep I agree Aeroflot. I have also been in car with what I would describe as a dangerous driver and felt my life was about to be over. Not good and I was in terms and I did make a comment but was.told to be quiet they knew what they were doing . This person went on to lose their license for 1 year for dangerous driving and had to retake his test. Thankfully is better now but christ, I'm lucky to be alive!

I also remember my granny driving around the roundabout the wring way with me in the car...

Anyone can be distracted or momentarily blinded by the sun.

I doubt that being momentarily distracted is any defence of you cause an accident. And if you are momentarily blinded by the sun the sensible thing is not to pull out?

I would agree @Bluelady

Before she said anything I was ready to take it at face value. But everything she has added makes me wonder. The fact she’s gone straight to the papers is interesting in itself.

The instant assumption that age has caused this, without evidence or investigation, is ageist.

^This 100%

Some of the things she said have now made me question whether the KIA driver wasn’t speeding. She was at such pains to point out that her friend was only travelling at 50 mph and they saw him ready to pull out on the side road 150 yards away. That is ample stopping distance for someone not speeding and paying attention.

But this doesn't mention the point at which the driver became aware that Phil was actually pulling out.

How do people know the lady in the car was lying about the weather? Unless you were there you've got no idea what it was like! Likewise how on earth can anyone make the assumption that the driver was speeding?

I find this cap doffing attitude that so many people seem to have towards the Royals really bizarre. As though they can't do any wrong.

Countless similiar accidents are caused by 25-65 year olds pulling out without looking properly or misjudging the speed of the oncoming vehicle.

I have had 2 do this in front of me this week. One in residential side roads, one a side road on to an A road.

This accident may or may not have been age related.

These lapses and careless moments happen all the time by drivers of all ages but thankfully often result in breaking, hooting and swearing rather than a crash.

Sometimes the results are serious and / or tragic.

None of it is OK, it’s a risk we all take when we put our lives and those of others at risk so that we can drive around in machines.

On any thread about a particular section of society there will be people who use the thread to bash that section of society. Those posts will be deleted and the conversation will carry on.

That's true except for the bit about stuff being deleted. Old people and the Royals are fair game for open abuse on MN.