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'Everybody has a heart. Except some people,' Trump thread 90.

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lionheart · 19/01/2019 01:08

From Bette Davis, who was too canny to name names. Smile

Here is the old thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3458456-Shutdowns-military-pullouts-and-resignations-it-s-Christmas-and-Trump-thread-89?watched=1&msgid=84240445#84240445

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 12/02/2019 19:52

I think the way Trump and his supporters are keen to say "Mueller will finish soon" indicates what they are hoping rather then anything they actually know.

cozietoesie · 12/02/2019 21:21

I'm with Across on this. I think he'll make it to 2020 - and with good fortune so shall we - and then (hopefully) be unelected. It's at the Dems door.

TheClaws · 12/02/2019 23:47

Trump’s thoughts on socialism. I think. I think the only think he knows is socialism (there’s only one kind in Trumpland) wouldn’t work for him, as he’s a greedy capitalist and always has been.

Aaron @atrupar
TRUMP: "Socialism does not work too well, & we don't want that as part of our country & as part of our heritage. We just can't have it. Everything would come to an end & rapidly, & then all of a sudden you'd see things happening & say, 'what's going on? Whatever happened?'"

TheClaws · 13/02/2019 02:35

Not sure where it will be coming from - Meals on Wheels? I think that’s already shut down, or at least significantly had its funding cut. Education? Infrastructure?

Donald J. Trump**@realDonaldTrump** 3h3 hours ago
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Was just presented the concept and parameters of the Border Security Deal by hard working Senator Richard Shelby. Looking over all aspects knowing that this will be hooked up with lots of money from other sources....

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....Will be getting almost $23 BILLION for Border Security. Regardless of Wall money, it is being built as we speak!

TheClaws · 13/02/2019 05:31

This is an interesting angle. Plus, a complete lie that Trump’s base will easily swallow. Where I live, drug prices are low because they are regulated by our government. Insurance has no input into whether I can pay for something or not. I have to receive a drug every month that would be $10,000 monthly in the US - I get it for free, as my government has worked it out that way. US prices are their business. We aren’t subsidising them.

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Americans pay 180 percent of what Europeans, Canadians, and Japanese pay for the exact same drugs!

Our seniors aren't going to foot the bill for free-riders abroad any longer, HHS Secretary Alex Azar says.

Gone4Good · 13/02/2019 07:06

How dare you defame a minor who did NOTHING wrong!

Watch this and learn something;

lionheart · 13/02/2019 07:46

'Many of the boys were wearing Make America Great Again hats, which were acceptable attire for the pro-life event they had just attended.'

Talking of etiquette, the preferred form for an expression of manufactured outrage on Mumsnet is, 'How very dare you?' Smile

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TheClaws · 13/02/2019 10:41

Gone4Good That video was produced by his lawyers’ PR company. It isn’t ‘truth’, just their side of the story. It’s worthless propaganda - sorry.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/02/2019 12:18

An adolescent who stands in the way of and grins at a man in his sixties is guilty of a gross breach of simple manners. If the same adolescent made that same face at his father while standing in his father's way and preventing him from getting somewhere, the story would not be "brave boy stands up to alien threat" but "mannerless yob defies senior". The spin is amazing, but spin is all that it is.

Lweji · 13/02/2019 12:40

Surely the increased cost of drugs in the US would support a form of national health system instead of a drug free market led by pharma and insurance companies, not complain about other countries benefiting from US tax payers.
I wonder how he works that out.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/02/2019 14:42

My DS takes a medication that, without insurance, would cost him a little over $1000.00 per month. With insurance (and he has very good drugs coverage) his copay would be $300.00, still out of reach for him. But with a special 'manufacturer's program' his copay is $15.00 per month. That means that the big pharma company that makes it is willing to 'eat' $285.00 per month. There's a heart medication my DH takes that has pretty much the same situation. That goes to show you exactly how much big pharma is jacking up the prices.

In other news, I read this morning per CNN (it's only 6.30am here) that Scrotus is going to sign the new appropriations bill. I haven't read the details of it yet, but I know it does include some 'wall' funding.

cozietoesie · 13/02/2019 16:45

A CNN piece.

The Border Deal

cozietoesie · 13/02/2019 16:49

Well........CNN/New Yorker...........

AcrossthePond55 · 13/02/2019 16:59

That's a good article cozie and it certainly explains his mindset and the nonsense he's been spouting lately about 'getting the money elsewhere' and 'it's already being built'. It's a case of 'if life hands you lemons, pretend that you love lemons and they're what you asked for originally anyway'.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/02/2019 17:42

I can't help turning that around a little.

Suppose what Trump actually wanted for the people he's allowing to spend a lot of money on something of very little actual use was one billion dollars (which is quite a lot, when you look at it).

So he demanded $5.7billion, damaged a lot of people in the process of grandstanding and appearing to insist on his original demand, and then took a smaller amount which was still larger than he actually needed to pay his chums with.

That's how for instance kidnappers operate: they make a ransom demand for a hundred thousand dollars, knowing they will get ten percent of it. Why should I assume he's any different from yeraverage ransom-demanding lowlife?

cozietoesie · 13/02/2019 17:45

I'm fairly calm about the Wall. It's a cockamamie notion and it will end.........badly. (I'm reminded of that Victorian poem - Ozymandias.)

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cozietoesie · 13/02/2019 18:22

....unstructured.....Grin

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cozietoesie · 13/02/2019 18:40

When is the vote? Smile

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cricketballs3 · 13/02/2019 20:51

I don't post often, but read every post on these threads however I've just read this on fb and wanted to share

Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote this magnificent response.

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

  • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
  • You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

lionheart · 13/02/2019 20:56

Hello cricketballs3.

Love that punch-line: 'If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.'

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Roussette · 13/02/2019 20:58

Oh my! I love that post of yours cricketballs3.

Nate White has nailed it.