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AIBU?

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To feel uncomfortable with this?

96 replies

Writingtrash · 13/01/2019 16:56

For background: attended Friend A's event with mutual Friend B, event was held at Friend A's parent's house, lovely big place, lots of family and friends, huge buffet.

Friend A has a nine year old DD. A's brother is quite a bit younger than her, mid twenties. He's very energetic. I don't know how else to put it?! He wouldn't leave the DD alone, teasing her verbally, this then escalated into putting his foot out to trip her, chasing her etc. At one point he actually had her on the floor, "just messing about" but essentially wrestling. She was on her back, he was sitting on her, arms pinned, and was going "try to get up, go on, try to get up". His parents and older relatives were smiling indulgently, and Friend A looked a bit awkward but said nothing. The little girl was saying 'ow, you're hurting my wrists" which made him lean down harder and tickle her with the other hand. She started to do that laughing crying thing, he finally let her up, and you could see she was upset and holding back tears. He started mocking her as being a cry baby, her grandmother then said "oh, she's just so oversensitive" and comments were made on how she was an only child, unused to ordinary rough and tumble. The little girl had a book with her, she kept trying to retreat into a corner to read, but was repeatedly hauled out by her uncle, and then was scolded by her mother and grandmother for being rude, and not engaging with people.

At one point I went to the bathroom, and the poor little thing was hiding in a sort of alcove off the hall, with her book. I told her I wouldn't tell Grin she came back down eventually, and there was more goading and teasing, reducing her to tears, whereupon she was told again that she was spoilt and touchy.

There were two other children at the event, one older and one younger, belonging to Friend A's other older brother, and they didn't get any of this.

This is absolutely nuts, isn't it? A grown man wrestling a young girl down to the floor and sitting on her while other adults look on, saying nothing? I was completely shocked and discussed it on the way home with Friend B, who thinks that it's a bit weird but normal in the context of some large rowdy families. I'm an only child and I have two children myself, and we are all quiet and introverted, so maybe she has a point, but AIBU to think this child is being bullied by her uncle while her family watch? If a grown man tripped my daughter up, wrestled her to the floor, then sat on her, he'd be exiting the building on stumps.

OP posts:
GroovieGazelloo · 13/01/2019 17:00

You are not BU to think this child is being bullied by her uncle while her family watch.
It sounds awful.

ShawshanksRedemption · 13/01/2019 17:03

Some families are like this with the play fighting etc, but the issue here is that he is a grown man in his 20s, he's far too old for that with a 9 yr old girl. I'd feel just an uncomfortable as you OP!

Averyimportantperson · 13/01/2019 17:03

Why didn't you say something

Lovingbenidorm · 13/01/2019 17:03

That’s bloody dreadful! If ANYONE did that to my 9yo dd I’d go nuts!
That poor little girl

Guavaf1sh · 13/01/2019 17:04

Yes that is very odd

TeaByTheSeaside · 13/01/2019 17:15

I think I'd mention it to friend A next time I saw her. My brother tried to tease my DD like he used to me (nowhere near as bad as you describe though) but I put a stop to it straight away. I think friend A needs to stop it immediately.

FuckingYuleLog · 13/01/2019 17:16

I think that might be normal for a slightly older sibling in some families but not an adult uncle.
Does he have difficulties socially? I only ask this as I have a friend who’s brother can’t be left with her children for this reason. He can be quite rough and lacks boundaries. No malice intended in his case but the children still need protecting.
If he doesn’t have any additional needs it’s concerning behaviour for an adult man who is either getting a kick out of being a bully or possibly even grooming a child.
I think I’d have had to say something though I guess that’s easy to say when it wasn’t me there.

RandomMess · 13/01/2019 17:17

Confused if anyone did that to my DD or mocked them for being upset I'd be fuming. I would probably ask A if that happened to her when young and do the family always gang up on her DD?

tinytreefrog · 13/01/2019 17:23

That sounds a bit off and way beyond "normal" play fighting.

Some kids do enjoy a bit of rough and tumble, but this girl clearly wasn't. As an adult he shouldn't have seen that and stopped. Her mother should also have taken her daughters part and told her brother to stop then second it got too much for her dd. I'd have been fuming if this had been my child.

tinytreefrog · 13/01/2019 17:23

*should have

SandunesAndRainclouds · 13/01/2019 17:24

You could’ve been writing about me, and my brother who was significantly older than me.

At the time it was seen as just messing about. As an adult looking back, I think it probably messed me up totally. Whenever I said ‘no’ to him, it meant nothing. I was tickled to the point of vomiting, pinned down until he wanted to get off, despite me fighting hard to get away. He once held a pillow and a duvet over my face until I couldn’t scream any more.

I learnt some very damaging lessons. I had never learnt that if you say no, it means no. It meant nothing at all. I had no control over what happened to me or my body.

It was abuse. It shouldn’t be tolerated by anyone, child or adult.

I have NC with him now and I’d never let him near my daughters. There’s no way he’s taking their autonomy like he did mine.

Gobeithio · 13/01/2019 17:29

That poor little girl. This sounds like complete psychological torture, not to be listened to and not to be allowed any means of escape or solitude. I don't know what to suggest, but my heart goes out to her.

Mummylife2018 · 13/01/2019 17:29

@Writingtrash Are you serious? You just sat there and did nothing? At the very least you should've taken Friend A into another room and asked if she saw what you did! Explain that it's out of order and you're deeply concerned for her DD - Perhaps word it better than that but for god's sake that child needed someone to stick up for her!!! ShockHmm

You're almost as bad as him by sitting there and not doing anything. You've practically enabled it

sarahjconnor · 13/01/2019 17:30

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halfwitpicker · 13/01/2019 17:30

He sounds mad, tbh

Shamoo · 13/01/2019 17:33

My brother used to do similar sorts of things to me and it was seen as "play". I absolutely hated it. I still can't have my head under a blanket or pillow because I am petrified of being smothered. He never got told off and I am still very resentful. We get on well now, but I look back and it was bullying. The worst part was the more upset you got or the harder you asked them to stop, the worse it was. If anybody ever did that to any of my children (including my other children) it would be stopped immediately. The idea that they are letting an adult do that to her is horrific.

Xenadog · 13/01/2019 17:33

I think I’d ring NSPCC and ask for their advice. It’s a difficult one to know what to do but it sounds awful for the little girl.

EerieSilence · 13/01/2019 17:34

TBH, if that were me, I'd probably tell the friend I don't want to visit her anymore because I don't feel comfortable sitting there and watching her DD being clearly very uncomfortable and bullied.
Let her know this is not normal and standard behaviour and it's obvious her daughter doesn't like it - and that doesn't make her oversensitive by any standards.
If someone did that to my daughter, they'd be probably struggling to process all the swear words they would hear from me - and that's not me being a keyboard warrior, just being very honest.

TougheningUp · 13/01/2019 17:35

That's nothing short of abuse. If you see it happening again, speak out. Contact your friend and let her know that it's awful to allow her child to be treated that way. The only way to stop it happening is to shine the light on it. Tell people about it. Tell them all it's horrible and wrong. And tell the little girl to tell her teachers what's happening. They might be able to give her some support.

Just reading the OP makes me feel ill. This really isn't on.

userschmoozer · 13/01/2019 17:35

Same here. I'm NC with my brother - and now his adult kids are as well.

Apileofballyhoo · 13/01/2019 17:35

Awful behaviour. It's also really really weird that it's just done to A's DD and not to A's DNs.

WomanWithAltitude · 13/01/2019 17:37

Appalling. And definitely bullying.

When you say there were two other children there who weren't targeted.... what sex were those children?

Rinoachicken · 13/01/2019 17:42

I’d have said something at the time, or at least to Friends A. If she doesn’t see the problem then I’d be seriously considering mentioning it to either the girls school or SS. It’s awful and clearly ‘normalised’ behaviour in her family. All the little girl is being shown is that her feelings and her autonomy over her own body mean NOTHING. That a man is allowed to do whatever he wants and it’s ‘ok’ and if she’s upset then that’s her own fault. And she’s also learning that her own mother will not protect her.

Rinoachicken · 13/01/2019 17:43

Forgot to add, 9 years old is such an important time in her life as well - she’s on the cusp of puberty, such a damaging time for her to be fed these awful messages

honeyrider · 13/01/2019 17:46

I think you need to have a serious talk with friend A about this bullying and stress how bad it looks and what others could suspect about her brother.

I don't know why you didn't speak up and tell him to leave her alone there and then. I hope friend A's DD tells a teacher who will take it further and report it. It's abuse and I'd be very concerned that he's grooming her.