AIBU to wonder why so many have issues with trans

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Before I start I want to make it clear I’m not trans. I’m asking this as every time I’m on mumsnet there seems to be a post against trans people, more male to female bashing than anything else.

AIBU in asking what the problem is?

I usually consider myself to be an open minded person and I genuinely don’t care what other people choose to do so long as it’s legal but it does make me wonder how many people have actually been born in the wrong body. And a lot of folk on here seem to get very upset about it. Would you mind explaining why it bothers you so much?

I don't have issues re Trans, I have issues re Self-ID.

Yep, me too.

I have no problem with the concept of being trans.

I have a huge problem with self-ID trans.

& I don't see why women are constantly being asked in direct or roundabout ways to explain why they're uncomfortable with all of it, either.

Go and ask men what they think.

It's beyond time for women to stop feeling they have to explain things over and over and over again

*I do not have a problem with trans people. If your gender dysphoria is making your life unbearable and the only way to relieve that is to transition, then do what you must. You can’t change sex, all you can try to do is resemble the opposite sex more closely. Most transsexuals get that.

I have an enormous problem with TRAs and self ID. Putting on a wig and calling yourself Mandy does not make you a woman and does not entitle you to enter womens’ spaces. It should not entitle you to appropriate women’s sporting achievements and other awards*

Agree with this

I don’t have an issue with trans as such. What I have an issue with is a lot of them thinking they have more rights than everyone else. I also have an issue with that the moment you say anything about it you are shouted down for being transphobic.

I recently read an article of a trans woman complaining that she has to shave everyday and that the nhs has let her down by not giving her laser treatment for it. Well I know lots of women with facial hair where the dr doesn’t take it seriously and they get no help or treatment at all. It’s not fair.

The trans taking part in women only sports, trans complaining on Twitter that the nhs is giving breast cancer patients reconstruction surgery before them.

I also don’t think you get to change on a daily basis what gender you want to be to suit yourself.

Women are being pushed out because men are now identifying as women. Kaitlyn Jenner got a woman of the year award! I’m mean really? What has she actually done apart from having gender reconstruction surgery?

I don't give a fuck if someone is trans. I DO give a fuck when a man in a frock who still has his penis and who has a history of sexual violence and rape is placed in a women's prison. I DO give a fuck when the first three places in a women's race was won by trans, and I DO give a fuck when they try to encroach on women's traditionally safe spaces.

Women are sick of having to defend their rights which are being battered by an aggressive segment of trans people.

Because when you've been sexually assaulted, suffered trauma, suffer ptsd, been abused and violated by a man/men, having the decision forced upon you that you MUST share what you thought was a safe space with a male bodied person, who sometimes presents with an erection? That's why. Because the rights of one group should never trump the rights of another.

OP: you need to be clear about the difference between sex and gender. The conflation of the two is alarming and widespread.

I’m not saying they should be able to say they’ve experienced what women experience but what’s the problem if they want to use female toilet?

In the UK there is no law that stops anybody from using any toilet and people with a GRC, except for a few exceptions, must be treated as their acquired sex because of the 2004 GRA.

I think you are getting confused with the US. There is a lot of talk about toilets, but they really aren't the main issue.

A lot of people question the point of the 2004 act now that same sex marriage is legal and pension rights have been equalised, but there is not widespread demand to change existing legislation.

The problem in the UK is self ID. This is supported by the Labour Party, the Lib Dems, the SNP and the Greens and is being considered by the Conservatives. Schools and charities are already being told that it is their legal obligation to adopt self ID policies.

With self ID the concept of being female would be entirely subjective. How can you protect rights and services for a group if you can't explain who they are?

This means that the NSPCC on one hand recommends that boys and girls should not share a bedroom after the age of 10, but is also unable to explain what a boy or a girl is.

The whole thing is a mess and there are already examples of people taking advantage of the confusion to indulge their abusive behaviour.

What MerryMouse says.

Define 'female', if, today as a (no doubt lovely) hairy trucker from Bolton 😉, today, 'Man, I feel like a woman'- there's not a person in the land who can legally deny you a smear test.

How bonkers is that?

And how destructive to actual women? You know - 'adult female persons'. Those women.