AIBU to wonder why so many have issues with trans

[Blue09]

Before I start I want to make it clear I’m not trans. I’m asking this as every time I’m on mumsnet there seems to be a post against trans people, more male to female bashing than anything else.

AIBU in asking what the problem is?

I usually consider myself to be an open minded person and I genuinely don’t care what other people choose to do so long as it’s legal but it does make me wonder how many people have actually been born in the wrong body. And a lot of folk on here seem to get very upset about it. Would you mind explaining why it bothers you so much?

believe a male who wears dresses and makeup might be a fascinating person and perhaps a great friend. We just aren’t going to share a room if we go away for the weekend

This. Just this.

I think we should probably ask all to the TWAW woke bros, those so busy shouting that transwoman ARE women if THEY would be happy for their wives to share a hotel room with a transwoman. And if not. Why not?

Break it down for me

Cheers for that Shmithecat!

Do some background reading and then come back and ask some specific questions rather than this tedious scattergun approach.

And people forget that woman to man trans is a thing and no one on mumsnet really cares that they are are also screaming bloody mary to get the same rights as biological men and that men also have to suck this up.

Not that i care in womans loo's they are all cubicals were as men do have communal stuff (aka urinals so is more of a problem)

And people forget that woman to man trans is a thing and no one on mumsnet really cares that they are are also screaming bloody mary to get the same rights as biological men and that men also have to suck this up.

Er, aren’t ALL women, however they choose to identify, entitled to the same rights as biological men?

Yes, no one would ever discuss women in as though they're an alien race. Transactivists would never use terms like 'Bleeders' Cis-women' 'Breeders' or 'Terfs'.

Because only 2 genders exist.

I actually find gay pride marches offensive because there is no equivalent for heterosexual people.

Data shows that unisex spaces are associated with an increased risk to women.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Mixed-sex mental health warning 1998
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/223343.stm
archive.is/p765U

Mixed-sex mental health warning 2008
Detaining women and youngsters on mixed-sex adult wards is seen as likely to heighten their risk of sexual abuse.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7216203.stm
archive.is/ytpbs

Mixed-sex mental health warning 2018
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/11/nhs-launches-sexual-abuse-probe-amid-fears-dangers-mixed-sex/
archive.is/wwyXH

A half of women who have been in mixed sex psychiatric wards claim they have been sexually abused there, according to a BBC survey.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/223343.stm

YABU

Try actually reading the threads you refer to if you want to see what they’re all about.

I actually find gay pride marches offensive because there is no equivalent for heterosexual people.

FFS! I don’t need a fucking heterosexual march, because I’m not discriminated against because of my sexuality. Catch yourself on!

I'd you want an ELI5, @purpleartichoke sums it up perfectly.

Try to organise one yourself, then flatulence and see what reaction you get.

And people forget that woman to man trans is a thing and no one on mumsnet really cares that they are are also screaming bloody mary to get the same rights as biological men and that men also have to suck this up.

Men don’t have to suck anything up. Women almost never sexually assault men so men are not bothered if FTMs come into their spaces.

Have you lived in a cave for 3 years?

No people have been born in the wrong body. It isn't possible. The problem is with their mind, not with their bodies. There are a whole host of disorders where the mind rejects the body or part of their body for one reason or another. This is just one of them

Not being goady honestly but... how can you be so sure?

Google the cotton ceiling

I reserve my right to privacy and control over who sees me naked. Due to male harassment in my life, it's a very small group of men who get that access. Putting on a lipstick and dress does NOT give you that right. Open changing rooms, NHS wards, sleeping accomodation - anywhere I am vulnerable.

Because to believe that someone was born in the wrong body you'd have to believe in the concept of souls and there's not a shred of evidence for their existence. Also as I mentioned this is only one of many disorders where the mind rejects the body of part of the body. Are we to believe the same of people with anorexia? People who want their limbs to be amputated? People who want to be paralysed? People who reject their arm or leg? People who think that they're an animal? People who believe themselves to be dead? Are they right and the Doctors wrong? Are they really fat in spite of what the scales say? Are they really supposed to be paralysed, be an amputee, are they really dead, really a tiger in spite of what the mirror says or is it more likely that their brain is giving them false information for one reason or another?

Blue09- you're a stirrer, aren't you? All you want is impassioned women's responses.

You are a tit.

I actually find gay pride marches offensive because there is no equivalent for heterosexual people.
Is this a joke? Don’t be ridiculous. Homonsexuality has only been legal since 1968-they deserve some bloody marches to themselves ffs.
Also,OP, in answer to your question, just 1 word: ladybrain. The notion is abhorrent and being taught in schools like it’s about 1900 again.

The problem is that it’s the fashion these days. Thanks to people like Caitlin Jenner, young kids are changing at age 15/16/17 with hormones. Our future generations will be left sterile thanks to doctors not wanting to seem transphobic.

I don’t agree that schools are being given money by TRA’s to promote their ideology and not letting children have their own thoughts on the matter. I don’t want my dd having to use the same toilets as a boy who feels like a girl that day. My dd doesn’t believe in changing sex and she’s too afraid to voice her opinion in case her teacher and friends think she’s homophobic. She’s not.

I don’t agree that male2female trans with a penis should be in a female jail. Just no. Just look up Ian Huntley.

You really should read some threads to open your eyes. I was also like you, but reading I realised that I can still be open minded but not agree with what’s happening in our world.

Oh, and For The Record, I have 'no issue' at all. 'Legal' is an 'ishoo' because it is being debated whether anyone who decides they're of the other gender is actually therefore legally of that gender is OK^? Rilly?

I don't have an 'issue'; you do.

I am comfortable in my female body. I do not balk against a person whose genetics say 'male', but whose feeling says' 'female' as long as they transition - they take the drugs, they have the surgery, they live like a woman' in every way. For two years.

They 'walk among us' daily. No issue.

I don't have a problem with people who truly believe they were born in the wrong body. However, the issue I do have is that I believe when a man who believes he is truly a woman or a woman who has also felt lille a man should't imo, have the right to lay claim to those experiences. It undermines how society treats men and women.

For example, who a trans woman ever know what it's like when you first get your period? How about how scary it is when you first realize it is scary to walk in an alleyway without your parents in fear that you will get raped? How about what it feels like when you first develop breasts in school, and you hunch your shoulders because you feel that every boy is looking at you?

For the the trans men, do they know what it's like to have to prove yourself at school, by bullying or do something they don't want to do, like killing a bird, for example? What about masturbating for the first time? Having your voice change and being embarrassed by it? The fact that in some countries you are expected to join the military and go to war? The fact that you have to "suck out up", "man up", "sack up" ?

Obviously, some of these things can be experienced by both sexes, but to grow up and be seen as a man or woman by society is an intrinsic part of your life.

It is the audacity of it. I would never claim that I know what it's like to be a black woman or a gay man. Those are experiences that should never dismissed by other people who have never truly experienced it.

Just like, I could never know what it's like to be trans, and not be comfortable with the body I was born into, they should not have the right to lay claim to experiences that biologically, they have never be able to experience.