To be surprised that some friends are buying extra food because of Brexit?

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I suspect that specific foods may get be in short supply for a short period of time, but there will still be plenty of food in the shops. It is not going to be Armageddon. So this seemed an over reaction to me. Or am I going to be that person in the disaster movie who is laughing saying everyone is over reacting, who ends up dead when the disaster finally hits?

By these comments alone people are encouraging panic buying

Panic buying is the buying up of large quantities of a commodity which, it is feared, is likely to be in short supply.

I don’t see any evidence of that on this thread - just people building up stocks by buying a few extra tins or bags of dried foods every week.

Thank you Ifailed . I assume producers are doing what they can NOT to hold stuff. My clumsy example (which you rightly corrected) was to show that JIT depends on not warehousing and stuff available for March is nowhere near supermarkets now.

No you didn’t cause panic with your post. You were just dishonest.

Oh good, so you can provide me with the True definitions "bloodcurdling" and "panic" then.

I'm a bit slow. I still don't get how "panic" is buying something in January for events in March.

And while we're at it, surely the True BeLeaver position would be: so what if we run out of beans/flour/Spam in January instead of March? Hardship and shortages will Bring Us Together! Don't we want to "get on with it" and eagerly look forward to such Brexit benefits? So really, if MNers have managed to cause an early buying surge in January, which somehow suppliers are unable to replenish before March, they've actually done Brexit Britain a huge favour. Right?

I mean, it must be true, I read it on this very thread.

Here are comments from the very first page (they’re in context - no dodgy editing):

Depends on the type of Brexit we get. No Deal will lead to mass shortages. You probably won't want to be in amongst the people angrily searching for food. Up to you. I'm not taking any chances.
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The implications of No Deal are so catastrophic though, that it would be impossible to ever really mitigate them. Still, it won't go to waste. It's all long life and if we don't suffer disruption, I can donate it. Win win.
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If there’s no deal, shopping will be utterly grim for a while. Not just the limited supplies, but the experience of shopping with people panicking about limited supplies. It’s possible there will be civil disruption, because people just aren’t used to it. It’s worth stocking up to avoid all that.

Hahahaha I totally agree with u!!!

If your True BeLeaver comment is aimed at me, I voted to remain and if given a chance I’ll do so again.

Quoting a panicky post from early in this thread does not represent how this thread has been developing.
Preppers like me have come on to say "don't panic, here's some sensible stuff you can do". Really haven't seen much panic on this thread. Guess it depends what you are your editor is looking for

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Were those comments really supposed to assist in the re-definition of PANIC as discussing buying stuff in January for en event in March?

I have RTFT. I haven’t seen anything “blood curdling” unless people think a lack of pesto is the end of the world. Some concerns have been raised on the medicine front, but having worked with Pharma companies I’d say they are probably justified.

We work on JIT. In the event of border delays, and as carefully modelled by actual experts, JIT is likely to go to shit. Supermarkets recognise this so are creating some stores, but have limited space. As things run out (still assuming hard Brexit and border delays, with continuing government incompetence), people will be trying to get hold of what they can. There will be some disorder (levels to be determined) even if only people fighting over bread in the supermarket aisles.

People who have steadily made sure they have stores ( which should be everyone with the ability because you should have a decently stocked cupboard at all times - though usually it’s only the people who have previously been cut off/list their jobs with no money in the bank/etc who recognise this) have mostly removed themselves from said competition for food, thereby meaning that everyone else is in with a chance. And the beauty of modern supply chains is that the supermarkets can (before Brexit) still flex enough to restock.

As Bellini keep repeating - if you can’t survive three days without visiting a shop, try to change that.

Personally I doubt disruption will exceed three days. I don’t think the government is sufficiently stupid, should there be shortages, not to just sign whatever the EU shoved in front of them (I.e. the WA, superficially amended to let the uk save a tiny bit of face)

I'm amazed at the 'let there be no panic' attitude. I'm not in UK, but I know that a No Deal Brexit will impact the supplies for supermarkets here. It's not panicking to stock up on extra tins of anything that comes from the EU or UK, it's absolutely sensible planning.

If you don't want to stock up on things that come from abroad, don't bother. No-one is forcing you. But what makes anyone think they have the right to advise others not to prepare?

The British government hasn't covered itself in glory so far in the negotiations, everyone drawing 'red lines' that have made it impossible to come to a workable agreement. Bunging billions to the DUP who aren't supporting May and are now holding everyone else to ransom, including the population of Northern Ireland who voted to remain and would quite like to be in a position to trade freely across the border, as happens now.

^ Those comments are mine. Do they really feel panicky and alarmist? Maybe they do if you haven't read about any of the consequences of No Deal. I know a lot of my family and friends are blissfully ignorant.

They make it quite clear they are in relation to No Deal, which is disastrous. All the experts and govt leaks say so.

Sorry, are they scaremongering?

Council preps for No Deal are not exactly a light hearted read either. The newspaper story about guards for petrol stations and shops are troubling.

All of my prepping is in relation to the very real possibility this government could accidentally or purposefully end up with No Deal.

I don't want No Deal, I do not enjoy worrying about it, do not feel panicky to the point of being unable to cope and quite frankly if you aren't worried about No Deal it is because you haven't understood the implications. Or don't want to.

I'm not clearing shelves, I'm adding things slowly to a box. I'm not buying up the bakery so I can set up a black market in frozen bread after.

I'm not screaming and rending my clothes in the toilet paper roll aisle ofTesco.

I'm not telling everyone I meet to go and buy some supplies.

I've made it quite clear that you can do whatever you feel is good for you. I don't really have much interest in what others are doing outside my family.

We will know more next week. Possibly.

(I've seen this thread quoted on Wales Online btw.)

It's the new, improved definition of PANIC, BrexitDestruction - do keep up

^I should add that quite possibly the govt is scaremongering with their leaks to get the Withdrawal Agreement through.

However, they have been so spectacularly incompetent during the whole process, I don't trust them to even achieve that. All they have to do is run the clock down and we are out with No Deal, if they want that approach. A lot do.

They could get the WA through and we still end up in this position again, I believe. In 2020. Am I wrong about that? Please correct if I am.

I do not look at the government and think 'yes, these people are at the top of their game, I really trust them to do what is best for the country and my family. It will all be fine!'.

or the opposition

Lol Elements. I'm very behind.

I'm stockpiling things like loo roll, long life milk, part baked rolls, beans, extra shampoo bottles under the sink, batteries - stuff that we will use eventually if no shortages occur. I've only told 2 ppl IRL and one admitted she is doing similar and the other said she would probably be doing that after next payday. It's sensible to be prepared but it's not doing my de-cluttering any favours. My 'Spark Joy' revelations will wait until August, I'm sure!

I am more worried about things like medicines and veterinary drugs - a vet friend and GP's I know have had difficulty sourcing medication in recent weeks and it is very clear that a small disruption or lack of planning in the supply chain can have huge effects (eg vets being told to only use certain drugs for emergency c-sections).

if you aren't worried about No Deal it is because you haven't understood the implications.

Ha ha as David Brent said 'If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation.'

If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation.

Love it

I am decluttering at the same time, it helps to sort out the cupboards!

So not much beyond a normal January tbh.

I don't know whether they are stockpiling, but in the team I work in, everyone is refusing to organise travel in late March and for the whole of April until the situation is clearer. If wouldn't surprise me to learn that they are starting to put aside some long life food, although it's not the sort of thing you talk about in work meetings.

Can somebody sensible please explain why we are going to have fuel shortages.

The only scenario I can come up with, it that everyone THINKS we will have a shortage so they all rush out and fill their tanks up.

Otherwise fuel supply is not compromised at all by Brexit.

Fuel as in petrol? Not really sure.

Northern Ireland might have electricity issues, but I know for a fact that there are people working very hard to sort that out.

Otherwise fuel supply is not compromised at all by Brexit.

It is for Ireland, AFAIK. It isn't only the UK that's impacted by Brexit, we're dragged into it willy nilly :(

www.thejournal.ie/irish-government-no-deal-brexit-plan-4406051-Dec2018/

There’s this report about supply chains, but I’m not clear whether it means the petrol stations will be empty? m.forecourttrader.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/15694/UKPIA_warns_of_supply_chain_risk_of_no_deal_Brexit.html

That's what I understand of it Older.

Salad vegetables - possible problems with delayed lorries.

Fresh food in general- prepare to be flexible, have a bit in any freezer space and some substitutes in tins and dried forms, some long life juice, that sort of thing.

And that's it as far as I can see.

Fuel refining and supply is integrated across Europe and is at overseen by the REACH regulations. Government No Deal preparations to replace REACH are seen as onerous and licenses will have to be replaced by a new UK regulator plus there will be changes for UK operators to continue to operate in the EEA.

UKPIA foresees supply chain issues in the event of No Deal.

m.forecourttrader.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/15694/UKPIA_warns_of_supply_chain_risk_of_no_deal_Brexit.html