Page 2 | Saw something really horrible

QuestionableMouse · 2019-01-06T23:38:32+00:00

I accidentally clicked on a link to something really awful. I don't want to go into too much detail but it was animal abuse and pretty graphic. (Chinese dog meat trade) I can't stop thinking about it and it's really upsetting me. I'm not sure how to get it out of my head and didn't sleep much last night because it kept popping into my head. Any ideas how I can get past it please?

jemihap · 07/01/2019 08:07

Sackrifice - I'm not at all saying that UK (for example) reared animals have lead an idyllic, stress free and entirely natural life.

(I've lived and worked in the countryside all my life and have previously reported instances of livestock neglect and mismanagement)

But are you seriously saying that there is no difference between a meat eater ''supporting'' UK farming welfare standards and slaughter practices being no different to a Chinese dog meat eater ''supporting'' the dog meat trade?

zingally · 07/01/2019 08:34

I'm sorry you had to see that. I used to have a "friend" on my FB, who was a hardcore animal rights vegan. She used to post stuff like that. Now, I'm a happy meat eater, and have no interest in going vegan, but I didn't want to see that.
We're now not friends on FB any longer.
She can post whatever she likes, but I don't have to see it.

sackrifice · 07/01/2019 08:39

But are you seriously saying that there is no difference between a meat eater ''supporting'' UK farming welfare standards and slaughter practices being no different to a Chinese dog meat eater ''supporting'' the dog meat trade?

The difference is degrees isn't it?

Unless you rear and slaughter your animals yourself, you don't really have the right to hold other cultures to UK welfare standards do you?

You can't say 'we in the West = good, you in the East = bad' when you are yourself just buying whatever meat from whatever shop, as you don't actually know what that meat went through to become meat.

Still, star jumps, eh?

Now, I'm a happy meat eater, and have no interest in going vegan, but I didn't want to see that.

Exactly, happy to eat it but don't want to face the reality of what you are eating.

sackrifice · 07/01/2019 08:44

I mean, eat what you want, do what you want [I don't care, not my problem] but wailing about animal cruelty for meat production of one type, whilst tucking into roast chicken is just hypocritical.

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QuestionableMouse · 07/01/2019 08:53

@sackrifice, animals in this country usually aren't tortured to death to 'give the meat more power'. The system isn't perfect but I believe it's a million times better than the pic I saw. I also really don't appreciate you hijacking my post because this isn't about neat eating in general, it's about the horribly graphic photo of an evil trade that I accidentally saw.

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NutElla5x · 07/01/2019 09:06

Everyone saying how sorry they feel for op and giving her tips on how to avoid seeing this kind of horror again are part of the problem. I agree that these animal cruelty videos are beyond horrific and extremely upsetting, but if we're not made aware of things like this how will we ever change it. Burying our heads in the sands may help us but they won't help these tortured animals

Willow2017 · 07/01/2019 09:15

Sacrifice
Maybe google the dog meat trade in china and other countries.
They are tied up with their legs dislocated behind thier backs in tiny cages until ready to be tortured to death to 'improve' the taste.

That doesnt happen to animals in uk. Most farmers spemd a lot of time and money ensuring thier livestock are healthy and have good lives.
We can do our bit by knowing where our meat comes from and buying higher welfare products.

You arent going to stop people eating meat so stop comparing torturing dogs to good livestock management. Ranting at people just alienates them.

ChocolateWombat · 07/01/2019 09:22

There's 2 different issues here - preventing cruelty and all kinds of horrible things which happen, from occurring in the future, and the Op dealing with the horrible images which are now in her mind.

I think that the Op is more interested in the second issue right now. That's not to say that the first isn't important, but her concern that the moment is about herself and her mind, and I think it's okay for her to come on here and ask for advice about that. Campaigning etc might be one way to deal with what is in her mind, but actually might make her think about it more and actually she needs to get it out of her mind. In some ways this might seem selfish and to be ignoring the issue, but I think it is valid.

In this world there are so many terrible things going on. We know about some and not all. I'd say that we cannot campaign about all of them. I think we need to each choose areas where we feel strongly and make efforts in that area - that doesn't mean totally ignoring other issues, but recognising we cannot change absolutely everything. And yes, we have a duty to inform ourselves about what is going on, but that's not the same as damaging our minds with images of atrocities, or if we have seen them by accident, by fixing them into our minds permanantly by focusing more in the issues, if that is problematic for us.

It reminds me again of the the need to protect our minds. We can't unsee things. It's one of the reasons I don't watch 18 films. People often laugh at me, but I just find I don't need to see the sex and violence which plays on my mind. Op, if it's upsetting you and campaigning about it doesn't seem right for you, then try to move on....possibly come off this thread if it's reminding you about it. Watch something else,mead something else, listen to some music. The images will fade and come to you less frequently but it might take a while. Sorry this happened.

princessTiasmum · 07/01/2019 09:34

There is always one isnt there? a vegan who has to say there is no difference between animals killed here for meat, and the torture these poor dogs, [and cats] go through in China and other asian places
It is horrible to think of any animal being killed for meat, but yes there is a difference,in the way they are killed, skinned alive, dropped in scalding water while still alive,
Vegans should stop, trying to brainwash people,it doesnt work and alienates them if anything

AdamNichol · 07/01/2019 09:35

Eating meat and being ok with horrific farming practices are not the same thing.
I'm ok with eating meat. Omni mortis. But the standards of life for the animal prior to slaughter are important to me too. To hold every meat eater to account for animal torture is akin to holding every wearer of clothes to account for sweatshop labour and environmental poisoning by shitty factories.
In both instances, rampant consumerism is the issue; and yes, participation may lead indirectly to funding said practices, but those practices are not an inevitable result of the consumption.

And, yes, I can look to another culture and define the aspired to practices in my world as superior; should I choose to think so.

morningconstitutional2017 · 07/01/2019 09:54

You'll never 'un-see' it but be comforted that the image will fade with time, as most horrible things do. It will pop into your head from time to time, as these things will. Try to take your mind off it with something more pleasant. I hope that coming on here will help it not to fester.

Racecardriver · 07/01/2019 09:57

If you go over it in your head while focusing on something repetitive (pendulum swinging for example) this can help prevent flash backs apparently.

Racecardriver · 07/01/2019 09:58

(Each time you replay something in your head you a recreating it and each recreation will contain errors, if you distract yourself there will be more errors and it will loose effect more quickly).

youaremyrain · 07/01/2019 10:05

The Havening technique takes minutes and can clear traumatic experiences. Lots of videos
on how to self-haven on YouTube

It's not wooo it's evidence based, it clears the chemical traces on the surface of neural receptors. There's explanation videos of how it works on YouTube too

sackrifice · 07/01/2019 10:43

There is always one isnt there? a vegan who has to say there is no difference between animals killed here for meat, and the torture these poor dogs, [and cats] go through in China and other asian places

There's always one isn't there; horror at some animals being killed but happy to tuck into a nice roast chicken.

Keep on with the star jumps eh?

Whatsnewwithyou · 07/01/2019 10:52

It's not too late to try Veganuary for anyone who's interested... And for those who aren't wanting to try it then there are still ways to help reduce animal suffering... And the more you feel willing to do, including cutting down consumption of meat and dairy to buying rspca-approved meat (which they sell in Aldi so it isn't even expensive!!), to even signing petitions or just trying a vegan option the better. I do think turning a blind eye and justifying it all be out of sight, out of mind doing nothing at all isn't a great response, though.

I've been vegetarian for many years and am trying Veganuary this year. I'm finding it extremely easy and quite fun, too.

MaMaMaMySharona · 07/01/2019 10:58

@sackrifice 100% agree with you. People who eat meat and then get their knickers in a twist about the Yulin Dog Festival don't seem to realise how ridiculously hypocritical they are.

MaMaMaMySharona · 07/01/2019 10:59

@princessTiasmum how is anyone here trying to brainwash you?

Confusedbeetle · 07/01/2019 11:02

The images will never completely leave you in my experience. One of the reasons I deleted Facebook. Protect yourself from shock images of subjects you can do little to prevent. Never click on the videos. Also graphic details of abuse, if you read them you never can shake themoff

Zippetydoodahzippetyay · 07/01/2019 11:06

You have to make a conscious effort to replace the images in your head. Each time the thing you saw pops in, consciously picture something positive in great detail, eg. Your favourite park, and remind yourself of details such as location, size and colours of trees, benches, flower gardens etc. you cannot stop the nasty images popping in, but by not engaging with them you will reduce their intensity and frequency.

millyont · 07/01/2019 11:15

Someone once told me that when you have been scarred by horrible images the best way to get it out of your visual memory is to play a very visual game - something like tetris. The sooner you do it the better.

Loughers · 07/01/2019 11:44

Sanctimonious folk like Sackrifice are the reason why many people believe all vegetarians / vegans are sandal-wearing po-faced know-it-alls.

I love meat. Love it.

Nothing remotely tastes the same.

I wonder if Sackrifice cares about the starving children in Yemen as much as about some animals in China?

No I didn't think so....

sackrifice · 07/01/2019 11:53

I don't care who eats what. I've already said that. Knock yourselves out.

Buy boo hooing over one animal when you are happy to eat another needs calling out. Not star fucking jumps.

sackrifice · 07/01/2019 11:54

Fucking Tetris. Fuck me sideways.

nothinglikeadame · 07/01/2019 11:56

I think I know the exact clip you are talking about.

A 'friend' shared the clip on Facebook..it was horrific and people had know idea how sickening it was until they clicked on it.

I was furious, and I wasn't the only one. Loads of people commented that they were blocking her as they were disgusted she could post something like that without warning. Her response was ' Well, it's made you react hasn't it ' like a bit of FaceBook outrage would ever change the Chinese culture of cooking animals alive.

I know it seems the image will stay with you, but it won't. It took about three or four days before it went for me.

I deleted her , and I will delete anyone else that is so insensitive and sanctimonious in the future.