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To not pay £150 on the (probably false) promise of “I’ll give you the cash next week”?

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GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 14:40

Does anyone else have family member or friend that does this - they seem like they're giving you a gift or doing you a favour, only to “call it in” at a later date?

For example - my birthday is in July. If me and my mum are shopping in April and she offers to buy a jumper, with absolutely no indication that it's anything other than a gitft, then in July say "I haven't bought you anything to unwrap as I got you that jumper from M&S remember?". I'm now wary of this as I actually like to unwrap things on my actual birthday, and wouldn't have agreed to buy a jumper I'd have bought myself if I knew it was going to be an early birthday present.

When DD was born, DH had just gone self employed and was making nothing, I was on maternity leave and i mean it when I say every penny counted. DD was our first and as a present my mum said she would go halves on her cot and mattress (I got both in a sale for a total of £180, she would give us £90). She lives abroad and said she would give us the £90 in cash on her next visit. We bought the cot and mattress, DD was born, money suddenly got very tight and prior to mum's arrival,we really budgeted and factored this impending £90 in to our food shopping and phone bill for that week.

Well when she arrived, the first night she wanted a Chinese. "I'll get it" she said - at that point we really couldn't afford takeaways but thinking it was a treat I said yes. She also came with a jumper she bought me from where she lives (she did call to ask a few months earlier but I was busy at work and hastily said "yes please" when she said "There's a lovely green jumper in X shop, would you like me to get you one?"). She also paid for a few coffees on that visit when we nipped out together. At the end of the week, she produced £15 for me for the cot and mattress. I said "oh I thought you were going halves" (Trust me I would not have said this had I not really needed the money) and she said "Well your and DH's part of the Chinese was £15, the jumper I brought you was £35, I've spent £30 on coffees and drinks when I've been out and I also paid for parking that day". I graciously took the £15 (and we ate beans on toast for a week and delayed our phone bill, luckily BT were understanding) but I would never have said yes to a takeaway, jumper (especially one I'd never seen at £35! I didn’t know the price until then) and coffees had I known they weren't treats. It sounds ungrateful, but it really annoyed me that the 'favours' were taken back.

Anyway, to present day - luckily me and DH much much better off now, but a similar situation has arose. My mum didn't get anything for the kids for Christmas and its their birthdays this month. She's coming next week and has said as a joint Christmas/birthday gift she'll buy them a plastic toy house with kitchen - lovely idea! She found one for £150 from Argos, I'm happy with it. Despite being in her 50's she can't get her head round ordering things online, she's asked me to do it with her card. She sent card details, and it declined. She's said "Oh must be something wrong with my card, why don't you buy it on yours and I'll give you the cash when I'm there next week?". Now we aren't in dire straits like last time but I don't want to fork out £150 to be told next week "well I got X Y and Z so here's £20". WIBU to tell her no, I'm not ordering it, just buy it cash when you're here? We can do click and collect! She'll ask why i won’t order it on my card (and no doubt throw in a passive aggressive "don't you have any money?") but not sure what I'd say!

For clarity, when she's here she stays in our spare room, doesn't offer to contribute towards food (though she does clean up after herself), we ferry her everywhere (including to and from the airport) but get no offer of petrol money and we don't get so much as a bottle of wine for having her for a very long week.

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FuckingYuleLog · 03/01/2019 15:23

My friends fil does the same so I get it’s annoying. He’ll promise money for stuff and sometimes he will give it but most of the time he doesn’t. She goes by the rule now that if they don’t have the money to lose themselves they can’t accept his offers. You really can’t rely on getting money back from this kind of person.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 15:23

She has said that 'we' can sort the playhouse when she gets here. I am 'losing' my purse that day!!

At the risk of drip feeding (especially after detailing how hard up we were when DD was a newborn), after a shaky first year DH's business really took off and we are now doing quite well financially, we don't shout about it but to others it may be apparent as int he last few years we upgraded our home, got an extension built , landscaped the garden etc and send kids to private school (although I do actually work there so get a very hefty discount otherwise we wouldn't be able to afford to do this) - we are not wealthy but we "do well". I think she sees us as well off and therefore why should she pay for X Y and Z, etc. A couple of years ago we had my mum and siblings all here for the first time in donkeys years and we took them out as a treat for a meal (not talking the Ritz here, we spent about £250 on food and drink for 10 people). DH went up to pay and mum piped up "well I should think so to, share the wealth a bit for once!" Hmm i was completely moritfied as were my siblings.

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GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 15:24

Sorry that sounded like a stealth boast, I promise it's not, I just wanted to illustrate how I suspect she thinks she's 'owed' something

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Belindabauer · 03/01/2019 15:26

Yes ex h pulled this trick with dd.
Asked her if she'd like to go to an event with him, new wife and wifes dd, for wife's dds birthday. Yes great. Then after the event (only a day event so no overnight stay involved), informed my dd that that the would do as her birthday present!!!!!
My dd was annoyed to say the least. The year after he asked dd if she would like to go with them again. Dd politely replied that not if it would be regarded as her birthday present because she would rather have something else. Ex h told her she was ungrateful, didn't give her anything for her birthday, refused to see her again. Now, years later he is trying to repair his relationship with dd. It's not going well and he has nobody but himself to blame.
Oh and wifes dd did get other birthday presents too, she showed my dd.

Holidayshopping · 03/01/2019 15:26

She has said that 'we' can sort the playhouse when she gets here

Oh dear!

Reply-yes, I can drive you there-remember your cash in case they still don’t like credit cards!

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 03/01/2019 15:27

You can just reserve Argos and pay when you pick up. They hold for two days.

I doubt the jumper etc cost the amount she said, she’s shafting you.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 15:28

Do you ever mention the american fridge freezer that never was? What would happen if you did?

She was waiting for us to move into a bigger home (fair enough our marital flat was teeny) and when we did she supposedly ordered it over the phone at john lewis I think it was, but then had loads of problems with payment/delivery/stock to the point where we stopped asking and it was never mentioned again! We still have the poky little fridge we started married life with, and it will be with us until it conks out i imagine Grin

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GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 15:29

@Belindabauer Shock what a total prick!

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ChrisjenAvasarala · 03/01/2019 15:30

Her card was declined because she lives abroad. The card issuer will have seen her normal card use in her own country and then a random (largish) amount trying to be spent online in another country using her card details. It will have been declined as a fraudulent transactions. I used to travel a lot for worl and this happened every few trips if I used my card in France one day and Italy the next for example.

You really just need to sit down and tell her what you've said here and say that, for those reasons, you won't be buying things on her behalf with the promise of money coming when she has never handed it over in the past.

jinglewithbellson · 03/01/2019 15:31

I have a mum like this at times. Drives mad op

The latest was at XmasHmm
I popped over one evening and she told me what she would like for Xmas and what dad would like.
Not cheap things and seeing as my sis had already bought for them something else there was nobody else to share the cost with.
When I left she specifically said she would pay for dads gift as it's expensive and just to pay for hers.

Ok so I ordered hers (£60 over original budget Shock)and messaged asking when dads would turn up (she had said she'd order it to be delivered to me)
Well a week later I was getting sketchy so messaged again and she said not to worry about it ShockHmm

I was a bit shocked but also panicked so got online and ordered it myself at a cost of £85.

I told her I'd done it and to this day she has never mentioned it again Shock

She's done it with other stuff before.

Offered to pay for something for one of the kids or the house and I've said thank you very much and then she's replied saying don't worry,il need the money back next month though ShockShock

I've just decided not to accept any gifts or cash from her at all unless we have the chat about if it's expected back.

GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 15:31

@ThatssomebadhatHarry in fairness that jumper still had the label on and was actually 35EURO, which at the time was about £30 but i let it go. It was fugly as well, and the worst thing was my mum bought herself one too as it was so nice! Not being funny but I do not want to dress the same as my mum. I wore it once and then gave it to the charity shop, every time I looked at it it made me think of bloody beans on toast

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FuckingYuleLog · 03/01/2019 15:31

If she tries to get you to pay or contribute when she comes just say ‘OhI thought this was from you? We’ve already sorted dds gifts so you’ll have to choose something else’. Sounds exhausting having to constantly be on the alert for being conned into paying for stuff!

FuckingYuleLog · 03/01/2019 15:33

Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a sale sticker on that jumper that had been removed op.

SushiMonster · 03/01/2019 15:33

I would have to clarify with her every single time

Mum - Do you want a take away, i'll get it.

You - Is this your actual teat mum, or are you going to knock the cost off the £50 you owe me, or try and claim it is an early birthday gift? If it is a genuine, no stings treat, fab, thanks. If you are chalking this up as a debt then forget it, we have plenty of food at home

HeebieJeebies456 · 03/01/2019 15:34

I'm all for splitting costs fairly, but your mum keeps spending your money in a sly and backhanded way
That's exactly it!

She knows full well what she's doing.
She must get some sick kick out of making you squirm and feel uncomfortable.
She gets the satisfaction of controlling your actions and feelings, basically forcing you into a position where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't....training you to allow her to spend your money as she chooses and without your agreement.

I agree with those saying just say 'no' to all her offers to 'treat' you or ask her explicitly to clarify whether it's 'her treat'.

Lost88 · 03/01/2019 15:35

Your mother is just like mine - she just doesn't give flying monkey - just want to f* you over with money constantly.

Santaisfastasleepatlast · 03/01/2019 15:36

Surely they will be some huge fridge freezers on sale now op? Send her some links!

Juells · 03/01/2019 15:39

jingle - I've just decided not to accept any gifts or cash from her at all unless we have the chat about if it's expected back.

Which will cause huge offence and 'how dare you!'s.

CFs the lot of them. Most people have a job preventing their parents from giving them too much, leaving themselves short 😡

Juells · 03/01/2019 15:41

She must get some sick kick out of making you squirm and feel uncomfortable.

Do you not think it's more to do with wanting all the feeling good that goes with being generous, while just being too mean to go through with it when it comes to parting with the money?

GunpowderGelatine · 03/01/2019 15:42

She must get some sick kick out of making you squirm and feel uncomfortable

I like to think not, but I just don't know. I'll never forget when she handed me the £15, I felt like I'd been punched in the gut, a real panic of 'oh shit, how are we going to afford to eat this week now'. It's a horrible place to be in, and prior to DH going self employed we pissed money away on takeaways and treats we didn't need so often, and I used to look back thinking "why did we do that, we could have had an extra tenner now". I think it's why I'm so hesitant now to splurge on little treats like takeaways, even though we're OK, it still feels 'wrong' IYKWIM!

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CemetaryGates · 03/01/2019 15:42

I was thinking the same thing @elephantinstripeysocks -OP's mum clearly enjoys appearing as though she is being very generous, and basking in the praise / thanks for her generosity.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 03/01/2019 15:44

She has said that 'we' can sort the playhouse when she gets here. I am 'losing' my purse that day!!

You're very wise not to take your purse as you know you'd end up paying and she'd not "give it you later", but personally I wouldn't give her behaviour quite so much oxygen

Her remark over the meal was downright unpleasant, so when she offers whatever-it-is in future, why not say a casual "that'll be nice" and leave it completely up to her? No excitement over the alleged gift, obviously no telling the kids in advance and certainly no discussion of your own finances - just the ball put right back in her court

Haffdonga · 03/01/2019 15:45

Sounds like she's hiding money problems from you herself, what with her card being declined etc.

eddielizzard · 03/01/2019 15:46

She is incredibly tight. Awful when it's your own mum. Well you're wise to her ways, and so you are definitely NBU to completely lose your purse for the entire week. Seriously, that's what I would be doing.

DobbinsVeil · 03/01/2019 15:47

I was going to suggest getting an Argos catalogue and folding down the corners of a few pages. Fridge freezers, present ideas for DN...