Page 11 | James Bulger

Monty27 · 2019-01-03T07:32:50+00:00

Hang your head in shame Vincent Lambre. You low life creep. Anyone?

Helmetbymidnight · 03/01/2019 16:10

I really don’t get why people are keen to see it.

AmateurParents · 03/01/2019 16:19

I saw him on Good Morning Britain. I just cringed and felt sick for James' poor mother and family. to not even be told about it is the worst thing as he fearer they would say no. Surely there should be some sort of law to protect families and to stop these money grabbers trying to profit of people's grief.
All he kept repeating was 'we can learn a lot from the film, they are not evil' and when questioned what we should learn, he didn't really answer the question. He said he isn't doing it for the money which is BS. Why else would you make the film!?
James' mum will be on Good Morning Britain tomorrow so i'm interested in hearing her side.

Artofhappiness · 03/01/2019 16:20

Whenever there’s publicity about the murder of James Bulger I feel such sorrow and sympathy for his mum, dad and other family members. What other modern murder of a child has been covered so relentlessly by the media, coupled with regular updates on the further crimes of one of the perpetrators, guesses at their identites, attempts to change the narrative of what happened etc? The publicity around this film is just the latest in a long line of media/tv/film/internet obsession with this case, mascerading as faux interest in what makes a child kill. There’s nothing new here to be said and it’s purely lazy ‘filmmaking’ from someone with no original ideas who knows it will grab attention and a slot on daytime tv. About as limited a contribution you can deliver, regardless of nominations for awards.

There was a similar case in Norway, but crucially the names and identity of the child perpetrators were not released (even though it was well known who they were in the small town where it happened). This prevented the media, filmmakers and others from profiting from a heinous crime and blindsiding relatives and friends of the victim with new headlines, ‘insight’ and other bullshit ever since.

PortiaCastis · 03/01/2019 16:21

Wonder what the poor little pickle's Mother thinks of this attention seeking shite, it's cruelty to her as those kids were so damn cruel to her little toddler. There's always some arty farty twat trying to make a name for themselves out of a Mother's pain shame on them !

Helmetbymidnight · 03/01/2019 16:25

I think questions such as - why children commit crimes- why good people turn bad- should be asked More-
Eg. What happened to Germans in the 1930s that they turned to loading their neighbours into gas chambers? If we don’t ask these questions we won’t learn.
But, this case?
There are hundreds of terrible stories in history he could have selected for inspiration, or he could have made up one...instead to chose this case...meh...not nice.

OliviaStabler · 03/01/2019 16:32

More intelligent than baying for blood and screaming mobs bellowing 'throw away the key' at two ten year old kids at any rate.

I think what a lot of people want is justice. Those two boys went into a very cushy place for 8 years then walked away free with new identities. They should have gone to adult prision.

NameChangerAmI · 03/01/2019 16:34

There’s nothing new here to be said and it’s purely lazy ‘filmmaking’ from someone with no original ideas who knows it will grab attention and a slot on daytime tv. About as limited a contribution you can deliver, regardless of nominations for awards.

Again this is just your opinion.

I think it does offer something new. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think these transcripts have been in the public domain before.. Journalists are allowed to trawl through the case over and over again..presenting the facts, and no doubt using some emotive language. Just the headlines written at the time and since were emotive, carefully selective words used specifically to grab attention and sell newspapers.

If this film is as it seems - based wholly on the transcripts of the interview tapes, it 100% adds a new perspective. Futhermore, in my book, that makes the filmaker no worse, any journalist who wrote those articles at the time and since.

NameChangerAmI · 03/01/2019 16:36

I think what a lot of people want is justice. Those two boys went into a very cushy place for 8 years then walked away free with new identities. They should have gone to adult prision.

They were minors, they should not have gone to adult prison. What they did was barbaric, but so be would sending children to an adult prison.

potatoscone · 03/01/2019 16:42

I think what a lot of people want is justice. Those two boys went into a very cushy place for 8 years then walked away free with new identities. They should have gone to adult prision.

Are you seriously suggesting 11 year old boys be placed in prison with adult men?

Samcro · 03/01/2019 16:48

they should have served more that 8 years. that would have led to them ending up in prison.
i am sure the poster didn't mean they should go there at 11 ffs.
they got of very lightly and had better lives most likely because of what they did. they are now protected.
James family are not protected, they have to live with this forever.

NameChangerAmI · 03/01/2019 16:50

OliviaStabler are you from Liverpool?

NameChangerAmI · 03/01/2019 16:56

Samcro I can't remember if they got the maximum possible sentences, but I agree that they had much better lives as a result of the crimes, than they otherwise would have.

That doesn't sit easily with anyone, I don't think, and is the appalling reality that James' family have to fave every day.

Artofhappiness · 03/01/2019 16:58

The transcripts were used in two tv documentaries last year, and numerous articles in magazines, newspapers and online. This latest film contributes nothing positive - but will attract people fascinated by such crimes anyway.

Personally, I don’t think we gain anything from the transcripts being publicly available and the toll exacted on the parents, family etc is not justifiable. The Norwegian case I mentioned above appears (to me anyway), to be a much more humane way to deal with an abhorrent crime perpetrated by children, it actively discourages profiteering as what people really want to do is gawp, judge and analyse the perpetrators. The ban on naming them and their families stopped this in it’s tracks and, crucially, appeared to enable a community to heal.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/01/2019 17:10

I agree art.

I don’t think this is a humane way to treat victims of crime. Someone said that he’s a young film-maker, I wonder if when he’s a bit older, a bit wiser, a parent maybe, he’ll have a different perspective.

Augusta2012 · 03/01/2019 17:11

Christ. I can’t believe he got an Oscar nomination for this bullshit. It’s not even original. At least once a year an documentary pops up to lecture us about how we should feel sorry for the killers. It’s practically a liberal right of passage that you have to be involved with some sort of documentary which is choc full of emoting about poor Venables and Thompson. I mean FFS, Venables (who didn’t have a deprived childhood BTW) is now a grown man with a few sex crimes to his name who has broken his parole by taking drugs and entering Merseyside.

What the fuck does he have to do for liberal bleeding hearts to finally think, actually, he might be a bit of a dick.

The only person in this situation is Denise and James. The liberal media constantly portraying her as a jumped up slow witted chav because she had the temerity to be upset that her child was tortured, beaten, daubed in paint, sexually assaulted and his body chopped in two.

She and her child are treated like interlopers to their own story. James has been utterly dehumanised and turned into a cipher who is almost completely forgotten.

These films are always the same. A long whinge about how much Venables and Thomson and how much they suffered with no mention of James, Ralph and Denise suffered.

Augusta2012 · 03/01/2019 17:17

Sorry, that was supposed to say the only people who need humanising are Denise, Ralph and James. They have been utterly dehumanised again and again by these films. They just don’t matter.

KonekoBasu · 03/01/2019 17:18

Samcro I can't remember if they got the maximum possible sentences, but I agree that they had much better lives as a result of the crimes, than they otherwise would have.

I think that says more about their lives growing up than it does about the sentences received.

Bowchicawowow · 03/01/2019 17:19

The director isn’t a young filmmaker. He is nearly forty.

Helmetbymidnight · 03/01/2019 17:32

Then he’s a twat!

DitzyPrints · 03/01/2019 17:34

the only people who need humanising are Denise, Ralph and James. They have been utterly dehumanised again and again by these films. They just don’t matter
Completely agree

PhilomenaButterfly · 03/01/2019 17:36

I feel sick. James would be the same age as DS1 now. Those boys robbed him of his whole life.

OliviaStabler · 03/01/2019 17:40

Are you seriously suggesting 11 year old boys be placed in prison with adult men?

They were minors, they should not have gone to adult prison.

To clarify something which I thought obvious but clearly not, once they were 18 I believe they should have been transferred to adult prison to serve a proper sentence.

@NameChangerAmI No I am not. Would it make any difference if I was? Does where I live give my words less or more gravitas?

potatoscone · 03/01/2019 17:45

olivia

Sorry, that was really stupid of me to think otherwise. I don't even know why I didn't pick up what you were saying. It was completely obvious. Someone else pointed out what you meant with a ffs,so I have been told!

MuddlingMackem · 03/01/2019 17:51

@QuackPorridgeBacon
It does seem bad taste, but I think that’s down to the age of the victim and the nature of the crime. I’m really into crime, I read up on it a lot and I watch a lot of shows and documentaries involving murder and serial killers etc. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to make a movie, it’s been done for other crimes and there are lots of documentaries about these things. I guess it depends how they do it, if it’s gratuitous in showing the murder happening then I’d say it’s gone too far. Not asking or mentioning it to the victims family doesn’t feel right.

I agree with this. I find true crime interesting too if it's presented respectfully.

Twenty odd ago there were a series of murders in our town. Last year I saw a couple of documentaries about them. One was very respectful, featured a member of one victim's family and didn't really go into any detail about the crimes. The other, well . . . It showed reconstructions of aspects of the crimes, the presenter, to me, appeared to be verbally salivating over it. The whole thing felt exploitative and gratuitous. Would actively avoid that series if I ever saw an episode of it. The first - I watched the whole series, very sad overall but informative. (And now I also want to visit Dundee because it looked lovely in one episode!)

FWIW, I watched a documentary about James's killers a few months ago, they talked to one of the psychiatrists I think who'd been involved with the boys and showed footage of the interviews. It was possible to feel compassion for them as children in the way they were treated during the trial whilst still feeling horror and revulsion at what they'd done.

Donkdonkgoo · 03/01/2019 17:52

I'm in the "don't understand why anyone would want to watch something so horrific" camp