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Twin relationship AIBU - please could you help or advise?

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Hasselbacks · 01/01/2019 04:21

Hi everyone,

I’d be really grateful if you could please help me with this.

I’m a regular poster but have name-changed for this, as it’s quite personal.

I’m in my late twenties, and have a twin sister. We both grew up together in the same hone, but were put in different forms at school. I also moved to a different school after our GCSE exams and then we went to separate universities, so although we have done a lot together, we have also had a lot of separate and individual experiences.

When we were growing up, we got along okay, but never brilliantly. I think we’d both always hoped that we’d get along better, but we still don’t really get along that well.

I think we do try to get along with each other.

Mostly, we have a good relationship - we laugh together, share jokes, spend quite a bit of time together (we live in the same town and normally see each other every couple of weeks, have just spent Christmas together with family and have booked a short holiday together) and do appreciate each other’s company.

The problem with our relationship is, I think, that we still can bicker often. This seems to happen when we’ve spent quite a lot of time together already, and perhaps need time on our own or apart.

For example, we’ve just spent Christmas together with family. We spent tonight celebrating NYE with a family member and then I went to stay the night with my sister, who lives near the relative (my sister had offered, which I was grateful for, and I accepted).

A bit after we arrived at my sister’s house, we bickered, and unfortunately it escalated. Unfortunately, we both hit each other, and my sister asked me to leave.

I’m now on my way back home to my house. I realise in hindsight that I shouldn’t have accepted staying at my sister’s - i don’t think, looking back, that it was the right decision. I wish that I had gone back to mine directly, instead.

There is a bit of negativity in our relationship, clearly, I’m not sure why this is - I wonder if it’s because maybe we still fall back into our childhood patterns of behaving.

Please can anyone advise on what we should do to improve our relationship? I’m really at a loss (maybe because I’m tired) but I really want us to have a good and positive relationship (like we have with friends and other relatives).

I’m happy to give more detail if needed.

Thanks very much in advance for your advice.

OP posts:
Ifeelinclined · 01/01/2019 04:42

I don't know if this is helpful advice, but I have found that my sisters and I are close, but not true "friends." I love them both, but we are so very different. If I called one of them, I know they would help me however they could, but I've found that I can't be really close friends with them. I'm not a twin though, so ignore me if this isn't helpful! But I've found that it's easier to just accept the limitations of my relationship with them and not try to force that friendship. I'm the middle of 3 girls, and my 2 sisters are very close with one another, but my relationship with each of them is a little different. And that's ok too. Thanks for you. Sisters can be hard!

knittedjest · 01/01/2019 04:53

I have two sets of twins, both of which are now adults, so have some experience in this regard.

My older set of (ferternal) twins are great friends but they live their own lives. They talk on the phone a lot, see each other at least once a fortnight, had many of the same friends in highschool, go to events together. But they are their own people. They don't try to force a twinship any more because at 27 there is just no need for it. They treat each other as they do any other good friend or close sibiling, respecting each others boundaries, and their relationship thrives because of it.

My younger (identical) twins have a very unhealthy relationship. They are utterly emeshed. They go to the same university, work together, when they make individual friends sooner or later they become group friends. Even at 21 they still see each other every single ay. One of them is in a relationship but only because their partner has a very time consuming job that allows for the other twin to take the partners role emotionally in a lot of ways. Their twinship is very core to who they are as people and this often causes a lot of fights because when one of them does something the other doesn't like they struggle to seperate themselves from it.

It sounds like you and your sister have a relationship similar to my older twins but you want a relationship like my younger twins. The close, loving in built best friend. But that relationship doesn't exist. Not how you view it anyway. It's not healthy and it's stressful to have to essentially be two people at once, always havinf to think of somebody else in every decision you make. Let go of the idea of twinship and view yoyr sister as the individual she is. If she was anybody else would you want to be friends with her? If so in what context? Build upon that. You don't need to be joined at the hip because you spent 9 months sharing a womb.

BrokenWing · 01/01/2019 04:53

Unfortunately, we both hit each other, and my sister asked me to leave.

Bickering is one thing, physical assault is another level. You don't "hit each other", someone hit and thd other defended themselves or reacted to being hit. Who became physical first? Is this the first time it has become physical (as adults)?

ambereeree · 01/01/2019 07:52

I have friends who are twin sisters (non identical) who got on as friends but when one got married the other was so upset at being left out she stopped talking to her sister for a couple of years. Another set of non identical brothers i know haven't spoken for 10 years after a fall out.
It seems to me twin relationships are more intense than regular sibling. Hitting each other is a symptom of this.

IStillMissBlockbuster · 01/01/2019 08:00

Yeah I think you need to worry about the physical violence more because it says something about your dynamic. Who did hit who first? How did this go down? Has this happened before? Have you talked about it?

Gramz · 01/01/2019 08:02

Who hit who first? I think that's what you need to address.

TooGood2BeFalse · 01/01/2019 08:03

I would put money on OP hitting first.Or else it would have read 'and then she HIT me!!!!' all indignantly.Then she would have justified hitting back in 'defence'.So..why did you hit your sister OP?

Kikipost · 01/01/2019 08:05

Op what you describe is nothing unusual in a sibling relationship UNTIL I got to the bit about you hitting each other.

This is most definitely NOT normal behaviour for adult siblings. That needs to stop and be resolved

Kikipost · 01/01/2019 08:07

@TooGood2BeFalse

You’re right I reckon. The OP would have got first or would have derailed that. Sisters in their late twenties hitting each other - something very wrong with that scenario

Gina2012 · 01/01/2019 08:26

Please can anyone advise on what we should do to improve our relationship?

Act like adults and stop bickering

If you can't do this then limit the time that you see each other

You need to grow up. You are no longer 5

IdaBWells · 01/01/2019 08:34

My MIL is an identical twin and I am also wondering if it has affected her other relationships. This is because she isn’t able to recognize boundaries and tries to be enmeshed with her children and really anyone, family or friend. For the first time I am wondering if this is symptomatic of the relationship she has with her twin which is definitely enmeshed. They are now 70 and MIL still expects to come first, before her twin’s spouse and children.

So as a previous poster stated I wouldn’t encourage that kind of unhealthy over involvement where you struggle to recognize boundaries. Maybe your expectations are unrealistic. Also are you fraternal or identical?

DarthLipgloss · 01/01/2019 08:42

My identical twin DDs are 21 and like this.
As a pp said 're her identical twins, they have an unhealthy enmeshed relationship despite every encouragement not to while growing up.
Mine fight because they still expect absolute commitment from the other and kick off if it doesn't happen. They also get physical.
My advice to you is the same as them,
Separate, find friends/interests that the other doesn't have and build a life apart from your sister.
Stop expecting your twinship to mean your relationship is different/special
Walk away from arguments early.
Good luck.

ID81241 · 01/01/2019 08:45

If you hit your twin sister first OP then I would address that first. VIolence in any relationship is not acceptable...I have 2 sisters and am also a twin myself but I couldn't imagine hitting any of my siblings. It's not healthy.

If she hit you first you need to work on de-escalating the situation... you can't control her actions but you can control yours (I.e. by leaving, going to another room etc).

I think once every couple weeks is a lot to see a sibling (don't feel bad that you don't see her everyday). I think it's important to get the twin thing out of your head - you seem to have a strange fantasy about the mythical joint at the hip twin relationships we see in the media...But as @knittedjest has insightfully set out, these relationships are ultimately very unhealthy.

Currently, my twin lives 3 hours away and we only see each other every few months, speak every few weeks, and message during the week. But that works for us. One of my sisters lives closer and we see each other every week. I don't see my twin relationship as any different from my other sibling relationships just by virtue of being a twin... It's different because we all have different personalities.

I think it would be best if you started seeing your twin as your adult sister/ friend... and establishing a mature relationship on that basis as you would with any other close friend.

LagunaBubbles · 01/01/2019 08:51

How did it get from bickering to physical violence? That really isn't a good sign and needs addressed.

junebirthdaygirl · 01/01/2019 08:54

I have dsiss but not twins. We would have hit each other on and off as children but soon grew out of that. Its very immature behaviour and not necessarily anything to do with being twins. I presume there was alcohol involved and sounds like ye need to look at how that affects ye both.

StoppinBy · 01/01/2019 09:14

I am an identical twin, we are 33 and sadly, like you my sister and I are not that close.

I love her a lot and would do anything for her but if we spend more than an hour together we are likely to fight over something. I also have a strained relationship with my brother though and I think a lot of our issues come from our upbringing.

I also have cousins who are identical twin sisters who are the very best of friends, closer than most sisters (I am totally jealous of them by the way). They were raised in a super loving family of Greek heritage.

My sister and I have never had punch ons but she did once stab me with a fork, I still have the scar lol - she was doing the dishes when I took the chance to annoy me.... should have rethought that seeing as she was holding a fork haha.

I do wonder what your upbringing was like? One very important goal I have as a parent is to raise my kids to love and be there for each other, my daughter is 5 going on 6, our son is 19months, the way their faces light up when they see each other, the way they are always hugging and giving each other kisses and usually playing nicely together gives me hope that I am getting something right (hope so anyway Wink ).

Moving forward I would suggest you accept your sister, annoying traits and all... no doubt what you say about her, she says about you lol and learn to be calmer in your reaction to her, letting things genuinely slide over you makes life much more peaceful. Also, if you punched her first then yes you do need to be the bigger person and apologise.

IrmaFayLear · 01/01/2019 09:19

I suggest you watch the Bros documentary available on tv now. You may not remember Bros, but the documentary is really about their twin relationship and its difficulties (and there are some classic quotes in it, too!).

peridito · 01/01/2019 09:21

My two pennyworth

I'm a twin and my mum had 2 sets .

IMO being a twin increases sibling rivalry and amplifies all those childhood "it's not fair" moments ,insecurities ,and desire to be the sole focus of the parent's attention .

So I think that's what's still going on here .

OP are you an identical or fratenal twin ?

ReturnfromtheStars · 01/01/2019 09:35

Hello all fellow twins and twin parents (is there a wave sign?)

Reading this thread makes me immensely grateful to my parents. They made sure we were appropriately separated from the earliest opportunity. Until 3, we had a nanny and spent the whole day together; from 3-years-old we went to a different class at pre-school. We carried on going to a different class at primary and by secondary we went to two different schools. This I believe was really important to help us forge a loving, but not interdependent relationship.

My sister is my most important person alongside my husband and children. The true sign of really loving my then boyfriend was that I loved him as much as my sister :) However, I live with my husband, not my sister. When I meet her, we can stay up and chat for the whole night, however we don't do that very often. If she needed me, I would be there in a heartbeat with my husband who would also want to help. f we both die, she would be the one to take care of our children.

As a poster said, it is also the most important for me that my children have a loving relationship.

To OP: my main advice as a twin would be to try spending less time with your sister, when you do spend time together, try to do something you both enjoy and build it up slowly as I feel you need a fresh start. Just because you are twins, you are not obliged to have anything more special, than any other sisters, a loving relationship is the best any siblings can hope for. (Unless you want to play pranks on people :)

DramaticGoose · 01/01/2019 09:39

I'm an identical twin. My dtsis and I don't have the best relationship.

I don't think she likes me very much tbh and a lot of the time we spend together is spent on her telling me how awful I am and how much better she is. Which is always fun.

We have children of a similar age, so ha v e ended up spending more time together than I think either of us probably wants. She seems to spend a lot of time comparing our children, which doesn't help. The kids adore each other so unless she launches herself at my husband (never going to happen - he's overweight and kind, she only goes for handsome bad boys who treat her like shit), I can't see me cutting contact with her.... but sometimes I think it would be for the best.

When we were younger we'd try and do weekends together... always ended up in bickering/fighting.

Best advice I can give you is to see each other little and often. Don't involve each other in important life decisions. Don't have high expectations of one another. Do accept your twin for who she is, and love her for that.

bevelino · 01/01/2019 09:46

@ReturnfromtheStars. I have identical triplets and did exactly as your parents. They were appropriately separated at primary school, went to different secondary schools and while 2 are at the same university they are doing different courses and all 3 girls have separate friendship groups.

They are very close, but respect each other and understand boundaries. All siblings bicker but I would be truly shocked if they hit each other,

Yabbers · 01/01/2019 10:29

Talk to her about it.

Schuyler · 01/01/2019 11:22

Not twins but my sister are i bickered over petty things into our twenties. I don’t think bickering is abnormal. The violence is unusual and it’s assualt. When I was 7, I’d say my sister hit me but if I was 27, I’d say she assaulted me or slapped me or punched me or whatever. I feel you may be downplaying the situation and this won’t help you address the problem.

Hasselbacks · 01/01/2019 13:05

Hi everyone,

Thank you all so much for your posts - they’re really helpful.

We’re fraternal twins, so non-identical.

In terms of the background to what happened last night, my sister hit me hard across the mouth first after we’d argued.

She told me it was an accident, as it seemed almost if she just let her hand go rather than if it was a controlled hit.

I reacted by hitting her back, as it was painful and I wanted to get my own back.

I’m ashamed to say that, in the past, I have hit first at times where we have fought and hit each other.

When we were much younger (probably below the ages of ten), we would sometimes fight physically. I would react first and hit my sister first. Mainly, I think, because I would be frustrated at her and didn’t have the strength to walk away from the situation or the quickness to react with a verbal reply (ie. with something that I knew would hurt her, as I wanted to hurt her as much as I’d been hurt by whatever she’d said to me).

When we grew into teenagers, my sister and I would still fight, and it was mostly verbal. I can’t think of any specific times when we had a physical fight. It is very, very rare but can still happen. I really need to address this.

With the verbal fights, my sister would often start it off by picking up on something that she knew I found very hurtful - ie. she would tell me I had no friends and that no one liked me. For background, I was bullied at times in secondary school by people in my own friendship group. As a result of this and of my sister using this as ammunition, I had very low confidence in secondary school and didn’t really enjoy it at all - I now don’t have any friends from secondary school as I found it very difficult to make friends. I also found it hard at the new school I moved to on my own (mentioned in my OP) after our GCSEs. My sister can be very territorial about her friends, which is odd but also understandable. So I’ve learned not really to socialise with her friends.

I also always really admired my sister when we were growing up (she’s very pretty, she’s incredibly academic - had brilliant GCSEs and A levels, and just sailed through school - and always seemed to have a good amount of friends to be quite happy at school. I was much happier at university. I worked very, very hard to get into one of the Oxbridge universities (would rather not say which one) to firstly make my mum proud of me, I think, and also to prove to my sister that I could do it (my sister was always very academically gifted at everything, whereas I never really understood maths and science and loved the arts and languages).

When we were children and teenagers, mum would then hear us arguing or fighting (she’s a SAHM, so she always looked after us full-time as children), and she would come and try and stop the situation by screaming at us to stop and by hitting us (often with her hand and with some force, in the heat of the moment). I think she didn’t mean any harm but I was actually a bit scared of her (and can still be now).

Our mum basically brought us up alone until the age of sixteen, as our dad worked abroad, apart from a couple of years when we were young when we all lived abroad together. My dad would address the situation by pleading with us to stop bickering or fighting but wouldn’t react physically.

Now, my parents both live together in the UK and my sister visit them every couple of months (we don’t necessarily visit them together, apart from at Christmas).

My mum is getting older (a pensioner) and wants to gift my sister and I to buy a house and wants us to live together if possible. This is another issue and potential can of worms. My sister and I have really tried to show that we can live together but I’m not sure how good an idea this is (unfortunately, it wouldn’t be an option to buy two separate houses).

When my sister and I were growing up, my mum used to always compare us to others (always!!) She still does, now. She’ll say things like, ‘why can’t you be more like X’ or ‘why couldn’t you have done this like X?’ She doesn’t compare us to each other, strangely, but frequently, she’ll compare me to other people we both know (high-achieving acquaintances at school, close family members).

It’s really upset me over the years without me realising, but it’s now made me feel rejected, inadequate and really insecure (I’ve had trouble in friendships by asking friends if they like me Blush). I’ve never had a boyfriend as I’m too scared of rejection and insecure about certain aspects of myself (eg my looks). Also went to a girls’ school until the age of sixteen and didn’t socialise with boys outside of school. Tragically, spent my weekends doing homework.

However, since going to university, I feel a lot happier. I’ve made very good friends, enjoyed my degree and did a degree that I really wanted to do, and now I finally have a job I love (after spending a long time working out what I want to do and applying for lots of different things). This has made it easier to deal with anything my mum and sister say that upset me. I know they love me and I love them, and we are all close, but we struggle to get on well consistently when we’re together for a long period of time.

I’ve now tried to respond to whenever my mum says this by saying something like ‘comparison is the thief of joy’ (lame and can’t think of anything more original, but I just say it whenever this comes up so she gets the message)

OP posts:
WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 01/01/2019 13:13

Don't let your mother buy you a house. Please no.