that it has just hit me that this time next year I wont be an EU citizen

[garethsouthgatesmrs]

I know it's yet another brexit thread but it genuinely just hit me that it's actually happening THIS YEAR! I am truly gutted. Would love someone with political knowledge to come on and reassure me that it actually won't be that bad. I have 3 children who have to live with the repercussions.

buble is on jules holland-this has to be a good sign

Stating, rather.

Sweet Brexitears...

I wouldn’t mind a second vote. Leave would get hogher, I predict.

My son’s school is opposite the Polish Cultural Centre in Hammersmith. It was defaced the very night if the Brexit vote with vile slogans I won’t repeat on here.

Huge swathes of Britain are disaffected following austerity and, I’m afraid, uneducated and unmotivated to do much about it. When people are disaffected they need someone to blame - usually the “other” or immigrants. Nazism would never have happened if Germany wasn’t in deep recession post WW1 and the starved people needed someone to blame and focus anger on. Then it was the Jewish population, now it’s immigrants. It only takes a vile xenophobic little “man of the people” to get them going. Brexit has revealed the vile underbelly of British society and this is an even greater tragedy than the pointless economic chaos that will ensue.

I am STILL waiting for any of the Pro Brexit Leave supporters to type clearly what they expect to be better after 29th March ......

How will you measure success?
How will you know it was worth it?

If you cannot, then how will you vote at the next election to achieve your wishes?

We don't need to justify our choices. We voted, we won. End of story.

@Dongdingdong
It is vital that we maintain the UK’s current high standards of animal welfare post-Brexit and seek opportunities to improve them.
so that is ADDING to the red tape not reducing it

I can’t comment on any trade deal with the US as it hasn’t happened yet - how would I possibly know?
Because the USA terms have been on the record for two years

• antibiotic laced beef
• gm crops and animal feed
• chlorinated chicken
• lowered animal welfare standards

take your pick - you cannot have both

I’m not an EU citizen. Has zero impact on my life. Chill out.

After 2 and a half years when you see posts like this (and lots of others on this thread) you can tell there are still millions of people in this country who still don't know what the EU does and doesn't do.

Some of them are sitting MPs from what I've seen them say.

I think for me, that's the hardest thing about it all.

I could understand people wanting to leave if they understand what they are leaving. But all the people who confuse the ECHR and the ECJ (and you are in good company, its fairly obvious that Theresa May herself was one for a long time after the vote) or say being an EU citizen has no effect on your life are just wrong.

Maybe you'll work it out when we leave or maybe you'll swallow some more crap spoken by a politician and repeated unchecked and unchallenged by the press.

The ignorance of Brexit is the thing that troubles me.

People spouting off about WTO who have no idea what they are saying and isn't possible under WTO rules. Or ignoring that no one trades on WTO terms alone for a reason. Or talking about all the trade deals we could have - with countries we all ready have trade deals with. Or the EU have ruled out because the UK objected to certain terms that the other country wanted and we didn't (Hello India. Hello China. Hello USA). Trade deals are simply an exchange of sovereignity for trade. Ironically.

We will learn a lot the hard way. And I find that a very depressing thought.

It's not leaving the EU that upsets me most. There are many aspects of the EU that are far from perfect and Juncker embodies much of that with his behaviour towards women. But we've not helped that in recent years by having the most useless and lazy MEPs represent us (or more accurately not represent us since they never bothered to turn up - unless it was a vote about supporting off shore finance)

As a nation our long term strategic planning and political vision is utterly stunted. Brexit isn't the solution to that. It's a symptom of long term self serving politicians exploiting public ignorance for their own ends. And being of spectacularly low quality. People voted against the system because they were sick of it but its only enabled more of it.

Most of Brexit represents can be spelt out in a single word.

Corruption.

Please explain how replacing EU trade with American trade will reduce air miles?

If you read my PP, you’ll see that my comment regarding less air miles was in response to an article in the Independent which stated more British goods will be produced and sold locally.

I think the only way out of the impasse is partition in Brexitland and Remainerland. I line drawn between, say, The Wash and The Severn Estuary, Remainerland can then continue being under the yoke of the EU, with all all the terrible consequences of a single market, free movement and economic prosperity. Brexitland can then become the post EU utopia of small mindedness, low level racism and economic stagnation

The Manchester arena bomber was not white, did not have ties to EDL (whose leader is now a member of ukip) and was not days before an important vote on our membership of the EU

My point was that you’re being selective. A white man with extremist views and you’re up in arms. Salman Abedi also had extremist views and killed many more.

Immigration is a huge concern for many people. The perpetrator’s parents were given asylum in this country and the young man himself was given every advantage by this country. What did we gain from it? It’s not unreasonable to question whether our immigration policies have been keeping the public safe.

@Ta1kinPeace

You are talking the EU in its current form. It is an ever expanding project. For all you keep talking about the uncertainty and not knowing what's going to happen when we are outside of the EU, YOU don't know what the EU is going to look like in in the future either. It's a weak argument.

Leavers can bleat all they want

No one’s bleating! Only you!

What the hell has the Manchester bombing got to do with the EU?

The individual involved was of Libyan heritage.

Nothing at all to do with the EU. Please explain, exactly why this is relevant to a discussion on Brexit?

Because the USA terms have been on the record for two years

• antibiotic laced beef
• gm crops and animal feed
• chlorinated chicken
• lowered animal welfare standards

take your pick - you cannot have both

But how do you even know we’ll even be trading animal products with the US?

@Moussemoose

Read upthread.

@Mrsr8
Well you did bring up Jo Cox.

@QueenDoris typrical brexit statements.

Please explain what is the "yoke" of the EU. As far as I am aware the EU is a democratic organisation and we are involved in decision making.

What are the "terrible consequences" of the single market?

That’s the Remainer way!