Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

Wierd thread. So the issue is not paying £65 but the feeling of rejection? I propose we solve the problem by making everyone in the country pay £65 to get an ID card. I know that in the past this idea has been regarded as fundementally un-British, but the world is changing, while there are downsides to the state knowing who lives here, there are benefits as well.

coldheartwarmhands

Not sure if I’m understanding correctly.

In your previous post you said:

British born people would have no reason to find out what the fees were and there are campaign groups and charities that could have raised the issue, but didn’t. Surely your blame by that logic should be directed at said campaign groups and charities?

I propose we solve the problem by making everyone in the country pay £65 to get an ID card.

I'm going to hazard a guess that tucked up in all the unread legislation, is exactly that proposal (the amount might be different).

mission It's cause and effect really, isn't it? For instance, Why didn't Sky launch a campaign to challenge the injustice of the 25% fee increase for citizenship after the 2016 referendum result? They've run several high profile, and increasingly political campaigns - the now famous "Sky Ocean Rescue", and more recently, a campaign to enshrine televised Political leaders debates into electoral law.

Campaigns like that are selected through market research, identifying the issues that the public will engage with. Campaigns only work if there is weight of support behind the issue amongst the wide population - in the case of rights for immigrants in Britain, that weight is not there.

Tom, about a billion people have said on here that it's the principle as well as/rather than the actual money.

The issue, as TomVeiga knows perfectly well, is that it's an application which if not granted could result in people who have made their lives in the UK (some for many decades) being deported. The money is largely irrelevant (except for low income families who may not have two hundred quid to spare).

Of the roughly 15k applications made in the first two pilot phases, about 3,000 were not successful (for reasons we don't know yet). Scaled up, that's a very big number.

Mistigri

Of the roughly 15k applications made in the first two pilot phases, about 3,000 were not successful (for reasons we don't know yet). Scaled up, that's a very big number

Do you have a link to that?

My link says that 3,000 people in the first test phase did not apply because they wanted to wait until all family members could apply together.
blog.macfarlanes.com/post/102f528/the-home-office-has-confidence-in-its-eu-settlement-scheme-as-it-enters-second-te

The first test phase was limited to a small number of employees at NHS trusts and Universities in Liverpool. Around 1,000 of the 4,000 eligible applicants made use of the system. The Home Office was satisfied with these numbers and believes that the other 3,000 people did not apply because family members had been excluded from the beta test - so applicants wanted to wait until all the family could apply together

Are they the same 3,000 people that you are referring to?

My link also says this:
The app is only available on Android phones but negotiations are ongoing with Apple to develop a similar app for iPhones

Only £65 And you can apply on an app? To get to live, work, and love in the UK? YOU ARE SO LUCKY, BE GRATEFUL!!! 🤨

It cost Thousands to bring me here as a spouse from outside the EU for something that only cost the UK government £250 to process. They made £2,250 profit off 2 people in love that had to wait 4 years to even apply in the first place.

My application was done "online" but just so it could be printed off and mailed in with 3kg of documents and such showing evidence of our relationship and included photocopies of all the evidence which we were told we had to include or they wouldn't mail the originals back and I guess £2,500 doesn't include photocopies. The A4 paper I specially ordered and professional photocopies cost about £50 then the bastards mailed them ALL back. The shipping to and from the UK cost £225.

To add insult to injury they emailed saying they'd come to a decision on my application BUT didn't say what the decision was. We had to wait 3 days for my application box to come back through the mail to find out it was approved.

In a year we have to do it all over again!!! 😐

So let me get out my tiny violin for everyone from the EU having to pay peanuts and apply easily to stay here. 😂😂😂

Oh I finally found it, it's quite small you see, so I had to look around a bit for it.

As I said before, the immigration system should improve for everyone. It shouldn't be a race to the bottom where people have to be grateful because others are in a worse situation!

@ItsQuietTime

how did that trip feel ?

Quiet time are you missing the fact that it’s people who have lived here for years and paid Into the system for years that are being charged for this :s it’s not the cost it’s the cheek of it.

Thankfully, none of my non EU friends irl show the kind of schadenfreude endemic on these threads.

ItsQuietTime has just fallen into the ploy to set non-EU immigrants on EU immigrants, to distract from them both being shafted sideways, as predicted upthread.

Thankfully, none of my non EU friends irl show the kind of schadenfreude endemic on these threads.

You posted before typing "yet" ....

@Clavinova

europestreet.news/controversy-mounts-over-uk-settled-status-residence-scheme-to-open-to-all-eu-nationals-on-january-21/

"The second phasee, from November 1 to December 21, was extended to EU staff in the higher education and healthcare sectors across the UK, targeting 250,000 peoplee. By December 13, more than 15,500 applications had been made, said the Home Office, and 12,400 people received settled or pre-settled status. The reasons why 3,100 applications (20% of the total) are still pending are not known yet, but the government announced a full report later in January."

Because the HO hasn't released any detailed information we don't really know what happened to the missing 3000 applications. They probably aren't refusals - IMO the most likely explanation is that it wasn't possible to match the HO's data (from other sources like HMRC) with the data supplied by applicants, and it might not be sinister in itself.

But the point is that if they could only process and grant 80% of 15,500 applications in 7 weeks, what hope do they have of processing 3 million applications? Especially as the early applicants will have been overwhelmingly "simple" cases (working people with access to a phone and good technology skills).

Sorry, formatting fail there due to copy-pasting. Hope it's readable. Reposting the link:

europestreet.news/controversy-mounts-over-uk-settled-status-residence-scheme-to-open-to-all-eu-nationals-on-january-21/

I mean this in the kindest possible way, but maybe trusting solely to Home Office press releases, isn't a sound basis for judging the truth ?

The Home Office has been found against in so many court cases, it would hurt to type them out.

Also, I'm not really sure an organisation whose official policy is that there's no such thing as innocence in law (we are all simply undetected criminals) should be trusted at all.

People who have lived here for years and paid Into the system for years that are being charged for this :s it’s not the cost it’s the cheek of it

That’s an emotional response to a practical issue though. Why does Britain ‘owe’ people? As though they came here for altruistic reasons, the good of the country? Immigrants immigrate for personal gain. There’s no reason why they shouldn’t be charged for the privilege of living here.

I’ve been an immigrant to several countries, several times over. None of the countries I’ve lived in owe me a bean. It was my choice to immigrate.

I think it's wrong. Though if it were only £65 it wouldn't matter that much. It's all the rhetoric around it that is the problem eg "jumping the queue" and such similar anti-EU migrant statements.

However, I know this next bit will make me unpopular:

I neither voted to leave the EU, nor did I vote for a Tory government. But I am stuck with the decisions of the government we got as a result because I can't summon up an EU citizenship from somewhere.

Ultimately as EU citizens you can go elsewhere if you want to. The British citizens who have no other citizenship and voted to remain don't have that option. I think we've been done over more to be honest.

*I am stuck with the decisions of the government we got as a result of others voting differently"

Good point. The ones complaining are the privileged ones, rich enough to move countries, able to afford flights (something many people could never afford in a month of Sundays) and with 27 EU countries to live in plus UK. The rest of us - most people in the UK have one passport, one country and we remainers did not for this.

I am stuck with the decisions of the government we got as a result of others voting differently

Well, that’s democracy for you.

Money isn't the issue. Changing of rules is. And the bureaucracy which cannot be trusted. Lower incomes, older/disabled people, SAHPs - the prospects look very shitty.