Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

planespotting
Apparently you were aghast at my previous response to this posting;
BeardedMum And this idea that us expats in the UK love the NHS so much... most of my Polish colleagues go home to Poland for their dental treatment except those who have a polish dentist here.The love of the NHS amongst us (European) foreigners is a Daily Mail myth

My Polish acquaintance goes home for her dental implants because they are not paid for by the NHS and private dental treatment is cheaper in Poland. She moans about the state of her teeth, her dh's teeth and her friends' teeth - and she wishes she hadn't smoked because her teeth are badly stained. She has a point...

Polish children have the worst teeth in any OECD country; a 12 year old has nearly four teeth that are missing, decayed or have a filling

forums.canadiancontent.net/showthread.php?t=88859
(I tried to link to the Economist but I'm not a subscriber)
polishforums.com/life/poland-worst-teeth-world-54002/2/

30% of Polish nationals smoke but only 14.9% of English nationals do.

The fee for bigger companies annually for data protection just rose from £500 to £2900.

Are we comparing what it meant to someone a rise of 25% on what was already around £800 to what bigger companies have to pay for data protection?

@Clavinova I honestly think that the focus on a speculative dentist work rate of a particular nation is irrelevant to this thread

planespotting

Clavinova I honestly think that the focus on a speculative dentist work rate of a particular nation is irrelevant to this thread

Why quote from my post (out of context) 2 hours later?

I think the point is that you were trying to suggest that my comments were racist.

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planespotting

Clavinova I honestly think that the focus on a speculative dentist work rate of a particular nation is irrelevant to this thread* **

Why quote from my post (out of context) 2 hours later?* *

I think the point is that you were trying to suggest that my comments were racist.*

I literally replied to the post just above mine which is. +600 posts threads is a lot to say. I am not here 24/7 anyway

Regarding to
I think the point is that you were trying to suggest that my comments were racist.

It doesn't take more than the average brain capacity to understand that yes I am saying, not suggesting, that commenting on a particular nationality and their alleged teeth status is discriminating, or casual xenophobic, I can'g comment on whether is racist or not because as someone that hasn't experience racism, only xenophobia, I would NEVER dare to.
I have huge respect for racism matters and I feel I am in no way deserving on commenting on those.

Now, are you asking me if your comment is casual xenophobic propaganda based on one acquaintance ? Yes

planespotting
Now, are you asking me if your comment is casual xenophobic propaganda based on one acquaintance ? Yes

My Polish acquaintance spent half an hour complaining about the state of her country's teeth - which is backed up by the OECD data. Perhaps the OECD are xenophobic for publishing their data? I also said that smoking is still quite popular in Poland - perhaps this is xenophobic, despite the fact that 30% of Polish nationals smoke?

I suppose I could have quoted from the Polish forum I linked to;
"Though the point about Poland does ring true to some extent. It
reminds me of something my (Polish) mum once said - "the reason Polish women never smile is because they're hiding their bad teeth"
Anecdotal or xenophobic?

It doesn't take more than the average brain capacity
I doubt that I would have to search very far to find more comments from you like this. It's ok to say that British people are not very bright? Of course, that's not xenophobic at all...

@Clavinova are you Polish?
WTF are you so obsessed?

• It doesn't take more than the average brain capacity I doubt that I would have to search very far to find more comments from you like this. It's ok to say that British people are not very bright? Of course, that's not xenophobic at all..* Search away my friend, I can see what you are trying to do and I am not going to do your work for you.

Honestly 🤦🏻‍♀️

Have you looked at the rules? I'm puzzled as to what 'weird reason' they could possibly come up with.

In the two trials of the settled status application process, about 20% of applications were not decided (for reasons that we don't know yet, because the govt hasn't shared this info).

This is despite most applicants being "straightforward" cases (university and NHS employees etc).

Scale that up to 3 million applicants, and allow for the fact that many won't be straightforward cases (eg older people who aren't computer literate, people who have poor English, disabled and mentally ill applicants, those with patchy work records) and I would be entirely unsurprised if we end up with half a million people who are living in the UK completely legally but who will get caught up in Home Office incompetence.

My Polish acquaintance spent half an hour complaining about the state of her country's teet

I had a colleague complain for 40 minutes about a new roundabout in our areas
Should I take notes next time someone expresses an opinion?

It's ok to say that British people are not very bright? Of course, that's not xenophobic at all...
Trying hard here

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It's ok to say that British people are not very bright? *
That would be an awful thing to say, why would you say that @Clavinova ?

Has anyone say that?
We don't even know where you are from

WTF are you so obsessed?
Your post at 21:53 is quite long.

I can see what you are trying to do and I am not going to do your work for you

I had a colleague complain for 40 minutes about a new roundabout in our areas
Should I take notes next time someone expresses an opinion?

A link to the planning application would be helpful.

@Clavinova

I see that you are British - just a condescending twit then.

Wow, I actually had to Urban Dictionary that one "twit
Bird brained; of low intelligence"

So on the scale of insults when someone challenges your xenophobic views go:

1. Non British {note possibly bad teeth}
2. Probably British then low intelligence

Dare to ask what comes next

Dare to ask what comes next
I've got to sign off now - so it will have to be Happy New Year to you too.

Sorry, planespotting, I don't mean to be flippant, but I just view the increase in fees as yet more evidence that Brits are, as a nation, fairly xenophobic
I don't get this. How many individual of British nationality would actually know what the fees are now, let alone what they were before? Are you suggesting that most leave voters knew that information and supported it.

You also seem to assume that most voters did so on the basis of immigration. I don't think that's the case. Some voted leave because of issues with EU control over trade and thir decision had nothing to do with EU migrants in this country. As a matter of fact, one leaver voter friend owns a business that employs a number of Polish workers and has been saying for a few years that are more reliable than Brits. A generalisation I don't particularly approve but shows that his decision was not because he is a racist, at least against EU workers!

Have you looked at the rules? I'm puzzled as to what 'weird reason' they could possibly come up with.
I’ve watched the video which says if you’re an EU citizen and you want to stay here after 31st Dec 2020 you must apply and there are 3 simple tests, identity, UK residence and criminality, and it concludes with a link to the website which starts with ‘if you want to stay after 30th June 2021’..... so before you even start there’s a 6 month discrepancy in the date at which your right to be here vanished into smoke. What is the ‘test’ of identity for example? You ask ‘what weird reason there could be for you to fail?’ No idea, there’s no indication whatsoever what the ‘test’ is. There are no ‘rules’ to read. Criminality for example, what type of crime is ok? If any? No idea, that’s all the info we get. Do kids of EU citizens who were born here have to apply? Looks like it from this but who knows? If you’re an EU citizen or a family member of an EU citizen, you’ll usually need to apply if you want to stay in the UK after 30 June 2021. This includes if you’re married to a British citizen.
It is about as unclear and frankly unprofessional as it can be, there are no ‘rules’ that I can find so it’s pretty hard to see whether there’s a ‘weird reason’ why you would be rejected. If on their official communication there are two different dates it suggests mistakes may happen..... so it’s pretty harsh to suggest ppl are worrying over nothing. The other thing that has annoyed me all through this thread is constantly using the term ‘register’ as a direct comparison to ‘apply’ ie I lived in Germany and had to register etc. EU citizens are not being asked to ‘register’ so we know who’s already here as many people have suggested, they’re being told they must ‘apply’ if they want to stay beyond one of the dates they’ve listed, the implication being, if you don’t, you’ll be deported, that is not at all the same as simply registering. I register for council tax purposes when I move house, I don’t apply to the council to stay in my house! To those EU citizens who are affected by these, I’m so sorry, it’s shameful. 🙁

Govt changes the goal posts all the time. Early 2000s... all the folk going from indefinite leave to remain to citizenship were so happy to be notified that the qualifying period had been extended by a year (from 4 yrs to 5 yrs and too bad if you are currently on 3yrs and 11 months of your qualifying period cos you now have another 13 months to wait and you better cough for another visa to get you over that period of time). Such fun times for all.

The fact that these types of changes have affected badly people before doesn’t necessarily make it right that now it might happen again...on quite a large scale, and a short timeframe.

I’m quite proud of having become a British citizen, and I still think that London at least is, in its whole range of contradictions, imperfections, and mess, a very welcoming place and the least racist of all the places I’ve lived in or visited so far. I can only speak of London because that’s where I’ve lived, not because I want to imply differences to the rest of the country. But I also think it’s quite natural that living and going to school all your life with people of 1000 different origins makes you look past the nationality, the language, the food cooked at home, and just at people like people...
You should all be proud of this, and do your best to keep eyes and hearts open, because that’s what attracts the best European or non European people to live amongst you.

What I do NOT wish to this country is that it becomes a new Singapore of the West, with top financial services & money laundering à la carte for the upper level of society, and a fully deregulated, no rules, no rights for the lowest, made up mostly by immigrants.
I do fear, though, that this is exactly what some hard brexiteer politicians want

swingofthings

Details of the costs/fees have always been available publicly - and although British born citizens would have no reason to find out what those fees were, there are campaign groups and even charities which could have raised the profile of this issue and secure the support of native Brits to lobby politicians and ensure that this was a high profile issue during recent elections.

The fact is that not enough Brits cared.

Maybe all the people who feel aggrieved at the changes should be posting on boards where woman are complaining about the change in pension age telling them to suck it up

👆🏻explain this, I don't see the link

So it’s the average British voters fault that the campaign groups and charities didn’t, in your own words, raise the profile of said issue enough? There’s a lot of blame game going on in this thread.

DGRossetti there are a lot of similarities between the WASPI situation and those immigrants from the EU who are aggrieved that the "rules have changed".

I'm not unsympathetic to either, but in the case of immigration, people made an active choice to move and/or remain living here, despite the reputation of the nation in relation to immigration. Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to think that in those circumstances, I'd keep In the back of my mind that the rules could change, and be checking frequently that I'm still fulfilling requirements to give me the security I need.

mission Yes, I place all the blame for the fate of EU immigrants at the hands of the electorate. We have had the power to influence the decisions of Government. If we'd cared enough, there would have been outcry when the fees were increased. If we'd cared enough, we could have elected a Government which was committed to guaranteeing immigrants lifetime equal rights. As it is, there are many of us who do care individually, but overall as a body of people, we don't.