Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

[Rosepetalgeranium]

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

£65 and completing a form is easy. I'm not sure ex pats will even be allowed to stay in EU countries. UK is offering easy solution.

I don't think anyone called us a rogue state when we liberated most of the EU countries in the two world wars
Of course it isn't. Its quite reasonable... to charge those coming in from now who were informed that's what they had to pay. Not charge those who have been here so long, only their accent if any distinguish them to their neighbours.

I found this a very detailed and accurate article that would, amongst other things, explain some of the comments on this thread about ww2 and the feeling of British “exceptionalism”. The title probably the worst written part, but if you’ve got the patience to read the text (Vicky1990) I think you might find some food for thought. The UK can never rejoin the EU until English voters accept where they really belong - The Independent
apple.news/Az-T6H7slSVOdeJLGx742kw

(Sorry I can only get the link as an apple news!)

There’s a fundamental difference if I’m allowed to raise it between citizenship and settled status. It’s the vote. I paid 40% taxes to the U.K. for 10-12 years as a EU citizen before taking the plunge and (before Brexit) apply for nationality, on the basis that: a) DC considered themselves British; b) I wanted to have a say, albeit symbolic, on the way my taxes were spent. Being allowed vote to local elections is not the same thing...
DH’s family also seemed to have a family tradition to be chucked out or stripped of citizenship at every generation (again, the complexity of continental Europe borders and history!), so we thought that those 2500£ for the family were a good investment compared the upheaval his parents and grandparents went through.
Now, I don’t think the value of the fee is the point here, that’s very clear to me, but I find that there are risks that vulnerable people will not apply with the current procedure, and that’s deeply unfair. And this is basically creating classes of citizens (which is very British!), some with vote and some with not, which is even more unfair...

£65 and completing a form is easy. I'm not sure ex pats will even be allowed to stay in EU countries.

Why is it British citizens living in the EU are always “expats” but EU citizens living in the UK are always “immigrants”?

Why is it British citizens living in the EU are always “expats” but EU citizens living in the UK are always “immigrants”?
A couple of years ago one of Irish top politicians (I think the Taoiseach, but I might be wrong), when discussing the issue of a steep increase in Irish illegal immigration to the US post 2008, used a term "undocumented expats".

And this idea that us expatsin the UK love the NHS so much. If I would ever need serious medical treatment I would go to my home country to have it. I went “home” to give birth to ny third child to avoid the NHS and most of ny Polish colleagues go home to Poland for their dental treatment except those who have a polish dentist here. The love of the NHS amongst us (European) foreigners is a Daily Mail myth.

BeardedMum that’s true. MIL made DH have his wisdom teeth out in the Netherlands - “You’re not letting a Scottish dentist near your mouth!”

The Polish community have terrible teeth - my Polish acquaintance goes back to Poland for implants! Smoking is still quite popular in Poland as well, which doesn't help.

It costs 110 euros to get a residence permit in Germany.

2. You have to APPLY (not register) even if you have "indefinite leave to remain" stamped in your passport as is the case for people who immigrated to the UK many years ago

Several posters have complained about this, but I don't think you need to do anything to maintain your current status quo unless you want to change to 'settled status'.

Indefinite leave to remain is a type of immigration status you’ll usually have applied for. You’ll usually have a stamp in your passport or a letter from the Home Office

You can continue to live in the UK without applying to the EU Settlement Scheme if you have indefinite leave to remain or enter. However, you can choose to change it for settled status

This means you should be able to spend up to 5 years in a row outside the UK without losing your settled status (instead of 2 years with indefinite leave to remain or enter)

How long you can live outside the UK is still subject to approval by Parliament

You will not have to pay or prove you have 5 years’ continuous residence

www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families/if-you-have-permanent-residence-or-indefinite-leave-to-remain

I'm a UK citizen living in another EU county. Here we are called immigrants or worse, aliens.

It costs 20EUR to get register with the migration dept and has to be done within 90 days of arrival.
They want proof of income, housing and want to see that a person won't be a drain in the state.

People under retirement age who are not working must have fully comprehensive medical insurance.

After 5 years the initial registration can be changed to permanent residency, also costing 20EUR.
For this they want proof of 5 years legal residency, so 5 years of a utility bill, 5 years of rental agreements or 5 years of bank statements.

Nothing is done online or by app. We have to physically go to immigration in our district and make an appointment. They provide a list of what to take back at the appointment which could be anything from 3 weeks to 6 months in the future.

Would be chuffed to have an app.

As it is now, we have to smile through gritted teeth while our lives and finances are picked over by a bad mannered civil servant who would not even get an interview for a similar job in UK.

The 65 quid plus paperwork to register residency is the same as what anyone in other Europeans countries has to do.
And over there they have ID cards.
I don’t understand the problem. I have registered to live in France and that took some faffing at the mayors.
Perhaps if we had a documentation system in place we would have got Brexit as we would have been more aligned with the other EU countries.
I don’t know why the British think they are too good for ID cards and registration of its citizens.

effendi in my husband’s country, I’m known as ‘a foreigner’ haha. I have to be really careful when I’m in the UK not to go around calling all western people ‘foreigners’.

Even my Daily Mail reading mother baulks at it.

What's wrong with foreigner? It's not a dirty word, nor should it be... unless you automatically consider that foreigners can't be equals.

I don't mind either name TBH.
Alien makes me laugh and I am a foreigner!

Seems all this thread has done is give a voice to non-EU nationals who have settled in the UK and allow them to lord it over EU nationals who are now faced with an open ended charge for remaining in the UK.

Yay ! divide and conquer and let the real criminals in this pantomime off scot free.

quiet haha, why would I consider that????

Being lumped into a huge group of ‘not from here’ is not always that pleasant.

As an example: ‘foreigners can’t eat spicy food’ which means ‘everyone who is not from this population of 60 million people’.

Or ‘foreigners are noisy’ - again, all 6.9 billion of us?

In the eyes of my husbands countrymen, you’re right, foreigners will NEVER be equal. They will always be different, exotic, noisy, smelly, weird.

I didn't mean you specifically, more a generic 'you'...
A lot of people think as you describe and I disagree with that attitude, wherever it's from.

quiet well of course there’s nothing specifically wrong with the word, but you could say that about any word, couldn’t you?

We could all just use the n word if it wasn’t regularly used as a slur and didn’t have any history.

In the same way, foreinger is often used to denigrate a huge group of people which is why it can feel uncomfortable to use.

Indefinite leave to remain is a type of immigration status you’ll usually have applied for. You’ll usually have a stamp in your passport or a letter from the Home Office
And that is the issue. Before 2000, you had AUTOMATIC indefinite leave to remain. No need to apply for anything. In 2000, they changed the rules so that all those who had automatic indefinite leave to remain now had to apply for it to gain official status. If I'd done that then, not only would I have not needed to register now BUT more importantly, my second child would have had automatic British nationality. All it was was a piece of paper but because I don't have it, although I can evidence that I would have been granted it as I worked FT ever since I arrived in this country, my child wasn't born British.

Now I did wonder how I could possibly have missed 5his as I was registered to receive information from the home office.ut having spoken to many other EU foreigneers, not once person was aware. So they changed the law and didn't bother to inform those impacted by it, for whom filling out one quick form would have said all these trouble, but a few here seem to enjoy pointing out, we somehow should have known!

As it is now, we have to smile through gritted teeth while our lives and finances are picked over by a bad mannered civil servant who would not even get an interview for a similar job in UK.

Wouldn't be so sure about that. When DS had to be interviewed for his passport (funny name, so they had to be sure) he genuinely couldn't understand the person who was interviewing him (who was themselves an immigrant). In the end they had to call in a supervisor. They just looked at DS and signed off the interview. Not a word was needed.

You can continue to live in the UK without applying to the EU Settlement Scheme if you have indefinite leave to remain or enter. However, you can choose to change it for settled status

ILR only applies to non-EEA nationals.

But never mind - to confirm the rights of some 3.5 million EU nationals in the UK by the deadline of 31 December 2020, the Home Office will only have to process 5,468 applications a day.

What could possibly go wrong?

Why do you all apologise ? Did you know that immigrants from other countries need about £30k of income in yheir oem country before they come here ? And when they do,they wait 6-7 years forindefinite leave to remain and then take a test for citizenship ? And after 14 years in this country, their mothers cant visit them without paying £100 for a visa for6 months ? And that the citizen has to ratify that the mother will be fully kept and paud for on perosnal funds and will return to country of origin in good time ?

And meanwhile any EU peadophile without a job can just walk into this country and add to crime and homelessness and be a burden of all sorts on the tax payer ?

Also, I am dismay at the nativity of some people. Was speaking last night to close family member who voted leave. I have been considering stopping work for a year to take on further studying) but explained that I was anxious at the prospect of giving up work and the impact on my status to stay here. I was told I was being paranoid and that of course it wouldn't impact on me and would never be deported. I reminded them of this poor woman who married her British husband, moved here after being married for 5vyears, had two kids so didn't look for a job in the UK. He then had an affair, left her and she found out she wasn't eligible for any benefits and had actually become an illegal immigrants as not supported by her OH any longer.

When I told my relative that my child passport application had been turned down, they went on that it could only be an error because they were born here. When I showed the evidence, they went quiet and then said it was all wrong. Well yes, it's wrong, but it's not me being paranoid, it's her being naive that 'those like me, contributing to the system' will always be safe in this cou try without applying for citizenship.

And meanwhile any EU peadophile without a job can just walk into this country and add to crime and homelessness and be a burden of all sorts on the tax payer ?
And how many such person do you think make their way to this country as a ratio of those who come and become high tax payers?