Page 20 | Disgusted at how the UK government will charge EU nationals £65 and no iPhone app

Rosepetalgeranium · 2018-12-29T08:30:15+00:00

Even if someone has been here working hard and paying tax for decades they will have to pay £65 to stay and there's only an android app to apply not even an iPhone app!

User758172 · 30/12/2018 20:39

I won’t be here, so I don’t give a fuck.

planespotting · 30/12/2018 20:45

As I said I’m not pro brexit but I am pro being raised in this country not being put last
As someone pointed out, we are all paying taxes here to help those that need it, apart from paying for essential jobs and running the country.

I find it hilarious that people don't realise that I have paid over 10 years worth of taxes, my entire time here. And never claimed a penny.

As PP have already said get over yourselves, entitled does not even cover it.

I can't even

AND THE AWARD GOES TO {drums}

The more they charge the better. That's what the EU is doing to us, isn't it?

@LumpsMum I get the same! It makes me sick to my stomach! Because I’m pale as can be with blue eyes and rosy cheeks I often get told all sorts about immigrants by my clients. When I point out that I am one I get told they don’t mean immigrants “like me”. Nice.
Also, no matter who you mean I’ll be treated the same.

Brexiteers really don;t seem to care at all. It is all 'tra la la, I could afford £65 on my pension, why should I give a shiny fuck about anyone'.

And who is paying for that pension? me, for instance

@DGRossetti Isn't it the same in most countries?
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Ask a Brexiteer. They seem to be experts on how other countries do stuff.* so true

planespotting · 30/12/2018 20:46

☝🏻 my bold function didn't work so my posy makes no sense

Just imagine the sentences most likely said by a Brexiteer are in bold

ittakes2 · 30/12/2018 21:01

I am not EU and married a British national, mortgage, uk born kids - I’ve personally paid £1000s in UK tax and yet I would have been delighted to pay £65 for a permanent residency. Permanent residency non-EU is much more than that. Just a different perspective - I don’t feel the UK owes me anything because I’ve chosen to live here.

planespotting · 30/12/2018 21:13

I am not EU and married a British national, mortgage, uk born kids - I’ve personally paid £1000s in UK tax and yet I would have been delighted to pay £65 for a permanent residency. Permanent residency non-EU is much more than that. Just a different perspective - I don’t feel the UK owes me anything because I’ve chosen to live here.

Not a different perspective at all. We have heard the same argument 57 times in this thread, and each time we have asked to please stop comparing coming here knowing that you needed to apply for all these permits to people that came because they had the same right to be and work here as they did back home and now they are being told they have to secure it all.

Xenia · 30/12/2018 21:14

It is very hard for people and uncertain. However as smoeone said above the Uk has regularly changed immigration rules so the fact it was utterly uncertain would be part of people's decision making process when they decided to risk it and move here but not become a british citizen and not to give up their original passport and put themselves in the same position as most people in the UK - one passport one country. There was a 1962 Act in the UK to try to crub immigration a bit as people felt it was getitng out of hand so it is not a new issue.

planespotting · 30/12/2018 21:15

Permanent residency non-EU is much more than that.

I can'y get over this sentence. EU PEOPLE LIKE ME AUTOMATICALLY HAD PERMANENT RESIDENCE WHEN THEY MOVED HERE.

STOP COMPARING

planespotting · 30/12/2018 21:18

when they decided to risk it and move here but not become a british citizen and not to give up their original passport

People weren't risking anything. People were treating the EU as an open border community, as that is what it was and still is.

The absurdity of it all.
So your issue is a playground one! Ha! Tommy wants to have 2 passports that is not fair! You have to give one up and take this one or go!

FFS I have 2 by the way, so you are rubber...

Xenia · 30/12/2018 21:23

Some countries only allow you to have one passport. The UK lets you have more than one. If you have sa US one too you remain liable to US taxes eg if you sell your UK home tax free in the UK you may still have to pay US capital gains tax on it and that kind of thing so it is always a good idea to take detailed advice bfore having two passports. It is not always a good idea although can be for some people. I am happy just with my one British one.

jasjas1973 · 30/12/2018 21:34

It is very hard for people and uncertain.....the Uk has regularly changed immigration rules so the fact it was utterly uncertain would be part of people's decision making process when they decided to risk it and move here but not become a british citizen and not to give up their original passport.....There was a 1962 Act in the UK to try to curb immigration

If we were never in the EU then all perfect reasonable... However, prior to 2016 the issue was settled, we were in the EU and EU rules applied, folk moved here, with the UKs blessing, to work in industries as diverse as food processing to highly skilled medical research.

To then turn around and take rights away and charge for this, is foolish, the UK is not in a position to lose many key workers, the cream is always the first to leave in any country or organisation,

It is just another example of brexit self harm.

planespotting · 30/12/2018 21:41

@Xenia so it is always a good idea to take detailed advice bfore having two passports. It is not always a good idea although can be for some people.

Thank you for your insightful advice

The UK lets you have more than one.
Are you for real? Both the UK and my home country allow for dual citizenship. Stop talking as if the UK give me permission to breathe

Quietrebel · 30/12/2018 21:43

xenia
I really don't understand your problem with dual nationality. It's got nothing to do with the issue at hand. I also feel from reading your posts that even if someone gives up other nationalities for the UK they would still not be fully legitimately here in your eyes because they weren't born here and from a line of Brits going back to the ice age! You're a nationalist, an identitarian and that's an ideology which will ultimately stifle the UK and any other country that embraces it.

Vicky1990 · 30/12/2018 22:01

When I last took my car to France I had to pay over £100 in road toll charges.
When drivers from the EU come here with their cars they do not have to pay road toll charges.
That's what I call unfair and worth complaining about.
To pay £65 to live here forever, that is not something to complain about.

LittleBearPad · 30/12/2018 22:20

Vicky when you drive onto the autoroutes you knew in advance you’d have to pay, didn’t you.

You didn’t get a bill 20 years later for roads that were free when you drove on them at the time.

BTW, the EU citizens having to pay the £65 are paying all the same taxes as you abd when they go to France have to pay road tolls too - it isn’t only a charge for British people.

Tiddler7 · 30/12/2018 22:22

Maybe a daft question, but just to make sure I fully understand this absurd situation:

If one has permanent residence card, do they still need to pay..?

jasjas1973 · 30/12/2018 22:25

Vicky1890 - Don't drive to France? simples! you knew the costs before booking your trip...

Imagine how pissed off you'd be if whilst you were over there, they trebled the tolls?

Of course no one can be sure its a one off off £65, could always change and probably will, including time limits, expect every 10years for starters.

sunshine11 · 30/12/2018 22:36

Gosh. It’s costing me more than that to get my Irish passport and I don’t even want to live there!

silvercuckoo · 30/12/2018 22:43

To then turn around and take rights away and charge for this
Can you please elaborate on which rights are taken away? As far as I can see, it is actually the opposite, the new settlement scheme has removed some of the more onerous requirements, such as the need to have comprehensive sickness insurance cover for every period of economic inactivity (SAHP, students etc). These rules were not obeyed by many EEA citizens, and therefore, let's be frank, de jure many of them were living in the UK unlawfully. Many EU countries have no qualms about deporting citizens of other EU countries who are in breach of freedom of movement rules, treating it as any other immigration scheme (and being in breach is in general much more difficult because of the registration procedure).
It does look like a concession from the UK Govt side, to be honest.

coldheartwarmhands · 30/12/2018 22:44

If we were never in the EU then all perfect reasonable... However, prior to 2016 the issue was settled, we were in the EU and EU rules applied, folk moved here, with the UKs blessing, to work in industries as diverse as food processing to highly skilled medical research.

To then turn around and take rights away and charge for this, is foolish, the UK is not in a position to lose many key workers, the cream is always the first to leave in any country or organisation,

All that may be true, and I agree it is foolish, but historically, the British have had a very turbulent relationship with the rest of the world.

While some EU citizens clearly viewed themselves as European equally to their own nationality, I would suggest that has never been the culture in Britain, and as a nation we never fully integrated in the way other counties did. The signs were there if you looked for them - we were kind of like the recalcitrant cousin who really didn't want to get fully involved but wanted all the benefits of being a member of the club.

Being a member of the EU was always reversible (in theory). I appreciate it surprised many when it happened, but it was always a possibility, however slim.

In some ways, it seems that those who immigrated here had more faith that we would welcome them than many of our own pro-EU citizens.

shazwee · 30/12/2018 22:57

There are also to many non British people taking the piss out of our benefit system etc....hence why "leave" won the vote !!

Maldives2006 · 30/12/2018 23:01

In what way are members of the EU who have settled here taking the piss!! Give me specific examples please because I lived on mainland Europe for 6 years and during that time I was entitled to child benefit (we were paying huge amounts of U.K. tax) it was a bloody nightmare to sort out and i’m a “British citizen”

Vicky1990 · 30/12/2018 23:01

How much is the EU charging us to leave?, we didn't know that amount when we joined did we.
It will take a lot of £65 to recoup that, perhaps we should start charging them to use our roads as well, that's fair.

Maldives2006 · 30/12/2018 23:03

No it doesn’t I lived in Mainland Europe we didn’t have to do anything different except private medical insurance which is fair enough as we not paying into the countries medical insurance (tax equalised). However as members of the EU we had free emergency care.

Maldives2006 · 30/12/2018 23:06

We decided to leave and as such have financial commitments that have to paid.

Of courses we would have known about this when we joined to do you believe it would not have been negotiated surely British politicians would not have been so stupid....

Quietrebel · 30/12/2018 23:06

vicky
It's not a fine! It's made up of ongoing financial commitments the UK made as a member and the budget contributions for the transition period. All of that wholly predictable. Not a fine, that's just brexiteer propaganda.
You don't want the UK to be seen as an unreliable rogue state that doesn't honour its commitments, do you?