To think late-term abortion rules may need tightening up?

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Should people be able to abort healthy fetuses in a low risk pregnancy past 20 weeks gestation?

I read a very sad story concerning this earlier. I considered myself pro-choice in all circumstances but this thread has caused me to question that.

Should the threshold be lowered?

No Oakenbeach but forcing women to give birth to unwanted children will inevitably increase that number, and in 10 years would certainly be higher than 73,000.

So in short - fuck women and their lives and choices, more kids into care. Sounds great

And the vast majority of the 73,000 are older children. Tragic as that is, it has no bearing on the adoption of babies.

Actually it does.

How many were born to parents who did not want them and were removed later due to neglect and abuse?
Were born to addicts?
Were born to those that were forced to have them?

Do you really think all 73,000 were wanted from conception?

there are two ways of ensuring that men don't become fathers. Vasectomy, and abstinence.

Yup, both perfectly reasonable choices for an 18yo male.

What happens when the condom breaks or, as in a friend's case, she lies about being on the pill?

I'm not contesting that women bear the brunt of the trauma of actual childbirth etc, but it's rarely discussed that women can't generally be forced to become parents and financially support a child against their will.

Gunpowder - the debate here is about post 24+ weeks, i.e. within the current law. So where will all these extra children come from?

@GunpowderGelatine which is worse for a woman's long term heath knowing she ended the life of a healthy baby in the womb or having it and it being adopted? I think I'd be pretty messed up after a late term abortion I could make my peace with adoption. You know woman ARE coerced into sex and abortion let's not pretend. Having a limit protect woman.

it's rarely discussed that women can't generally be forced to become parents and financially support a child against their will

I think some people have been saying this

@ScottCheggJnr You're not suggesting men get a say on abortion are you?

I think you know perfectly well that I meant physically dependent, sustaining life only from the woman. If the mother of a 1 week old baby dies, the baby does not.

Yes I did... However, this ‘cliff edge’....’absolutely fine’ if 40 weeks one hour before birth, but ‘murder’ if 40 weeks after birth doesn’t sit right with me or most people - hence I’m glad the law is as it is.

No, I'm not suggesting that.

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@GunpowderGelatinewhich is worse for a woman's long term heath knowing she ended the life of a healthy baby in the womb or having it and it being adopted?

I have had 2 abortions. Both were my choice. I do not regret either. I did not want to go through adoption.

@CosmicCanary The parent who "didn't want them" probably did and liked the extra benefits. This is not an argument for abortion these women often planned their pregnancies they're just chaotic and irresponsible!

Some people on this thread are being rather facetious.
As awful as it is some women do use abortion as a contraceptive and I do question their ability to be a mother in the future if they are so flippant about their babies now.

I am pro choice, I don't believe the majority of women take this decision lightly, and if it is happening time and time again then the authorities need to assess that particular woman's vulnerability and protect her, if necessary.

The whole issue of abortion, especially late abortion has to be taken in a case by case basis, it certainly cannot be one rule for all.

@CosmicCanaryThe parent who "didn't want them" probably did and liked the extra benefits.

Vile post.

This is not an argument for abortion these women often planned their pregnancies they're just chaotic and irresponsible!

MRA troll.

@CosmicCanary sorry you've gone through that. How far on were you? What were your circumstances? Obviously don't respond if you don't feel comfortable. We all have difficult choices in life but what make you so sure of the road not taken? I'm open to being more pro choice but all my friends had them and I don't think any of them recovered well.

I will not share anything with you. You are a vile troll.

@CosmicCanary You obviously haven't met some of the families I have. They WILL have their children taken into care but they were much wanted babies. I stand by this, it's not a argument for abortion!

I work in the public sector supporting people with the most difficult of circumstances in the worst situations and have done for over 17 years.

Dont tell me what I do or do not know.

And this ‘straw man’ stuff, it makes no sense:

Pro-choice fundamentalist: “I support abortion to
term for any reason”
Other person: “I don’t support that.”
Pro-choice fundamentalist: “Erm... no one has abortions at full-term, so your lack of support for full term abortion is a ‘straw man’”

If no one does it, why the hell are you so vehement about supporting it!

Because pro choice is that women have full autonomy over their own bodies

Regardless if it happens or not I believe women should always have autonomy over their own body

Oak pro choice is just that. Its not my choice therefore my opinion does not matter.
Nearly full term abortions are very rare and to use them as some sort of bench mark is a strawman.
It does not matter if i think after 24 week abortions are wrong if i choose to be pro choice then i am choosing to accept the choice is not mine its gers and it always will be. .

Yup, both perfectly reasonable choices for an 18yo male.

Why not? Will he explode if he doesn't get his dick wet

What happens when the condom breaks or, as in a friend's case, she lies about being on the pill?

Tough shit. Take responsibility for your own contraception. And accept that, in this country, if you get a woman pregnant you have no right to a say in what happens to that pregnancy. Accept that with each time you have sex you run that small risk, and man the fuck up

which is worse for a woman's long term heath knowing she ended the life of a healthy baby in the womb or having it and it being adopted?I think I'd be pretty messed up after a late term abortion I could make my peace with adoption.*

Here's a wacky thought - not everyone is like you. And an abortion will be far less traumatic for many

You know woman ARE coerced into sex and abortion let's not pretend. Having a limit protect woman.

No it's doesn't and you know it

The parent who "didn't want them" probably did and liked the extra benefits. This is not an argument for abortion these women often planned their pregnancies they're just chaotic and irresponsible!

Yep MRA troll and a very bad one indeed. Extra benefits 😂 yeah they're rolling in their extra £13 a week. Dickhead

A woman CAN choose what happens to her body.

As Gunpowder said:

Promise me you won't tell anyone, as I don't want to cause unrest, but (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RAPE) there are two ways of ensuring that WOMEN don't become MOTHERS. USING TWO FORMS OF CONTRACEPTION SIMULTANEOUSLY and abstinence. As I said earlier I know it's horrifying to think of WOMEN not HAVING SEX WITH everything that moves but there you go, I trust your mind is suitably blown