To think late-term abortion rules may need tightening up?

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Should people be able to abort healthy fetuses in a low risk pregnancy past 20 weeks gestation?

I read a very sad story concerning this earlier. I considered myself pro-choice in all circumstances but this thread has caused me to question that.

Should the threshold be lowered?

and also because forcing women who don't want to be pregnant to remain so is fucking barbaric.

Women Not Incubators. Hear hear x

My other issue with late term abortions is it appears from post and people who I know that have abortions it's often the man pushing for the abortion.

Nope.
Women can and do choose abortion. Trying to blame men is a cop out.

Fruitcider Yes I did read your post. Clearly you didn't read mine, specifically where I said that provisions should be made for caess where there are medical issues or serious health complications. Where the mother and baby are both healthy and the pregnancy is progressing normally, I can't see any justification for late term abortion. Should have been done within the legal limit.

I'd have killed myself if I wasn't allowed my 23+5 termination.
No baby, no me, and no mother for the already existing Dd.

@FruitCider with the same argument women kill themselves over lovers, post natal depression the list is endless. This does not make it ok to terminate a full term pregnancy. So how do you feel if a baby is aborted alive? Do you ensure the child is dead or give it a chance at life?

How on earth can a woman feel better about destroying a healthy full term baby to giving life?

Well until you're in that position you will never know will you

So how do you feel if a baby is aborted alive?

I don't understand? A baby isn't alive if it's aborted

People are talking like, if there was no limit then there'd be women at 39 weeks terminating babies left right and centre, and that it would be as easy as popping along to your local hospital and having it done in 20 minutes.

Late term abortions (between 21&24 weeks) are so rare they're practically negligible. Any beyond that are done at the discretion of doctors who use their patients medical history to make an informed decision.

Here's a radical idea: how about we just, I don't know, trust women to make the best decision for them, their bodies and their lives? Shocking concept I know!

I am surprised at this smdiscussed since late term terminations are rare and when they do happen it if often for health reasons.

I don’t know what you think you are adding to the debate here.

@GunpowderGelatine There has been several incidence and stories where abortion has occurred and the baby survived. Usually they leave it until the baby dies which in my opinion is cruel and there has been cases where the child has been adopted without consulting the parents, this is obviously abroad. I'm afraid leaving a baby to die is just totally immoral. Exactly why would a woman abort a third trimester baby? A very handicapped child I can understand. You are not being forced to be a Mother, you already are Mother by being pregnant.

This does not make it ok to terminate a full term pregnancy. So how do you feel if a baby is aborted alive?

They're not alive. The termination stops the heart and then the fetus is delivered.

Exactly why would a woman abort a third trimester baby? A very handicapped child I can understand.

It's NOT legal unless there ARE medical reasons, but it's nice to know you consider 'handicapped' fetuses as less worthy than nice, white, healthy, no addictions NT ones that you fantasise are available for adoption.

Access to safe, legal pregnancy termination is part of reproductive autonomy and I'm so glad we live in a place where women are not seen as mere incubators.

Against abortion? Don't have one then.

You are not being forced to be a Mother, you already are Mother by being pregnant.

No, you're not.

@thebaronetofcockburn Agreed that's how I came across I don't believe disabled babies are less viable. I'm just trying to understand the reasons of a mother.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488493/EXCLUSIVE-MP-outrage-at-39-week-abortion/amp

What a great argument for advocating forced birth.

This has already been explained. Letting nature take its course is not forcing. By this logic I am being forced to be the weight I am by the laws of physics and it's someone else responsibility to provide me relief from the oppression nof nature.

FruitCider

I find your arguments horrific and disturbing. You are flippantly saying there are many people whom it would have been better for everyone if they had never been born ? Is that right ?

New your emotional blackmail will not work here.

The majority on MN believe in pro choice.
It does not matter if you agree.
It does not matter what emotive language you use.
Women who choose abortion for whatever reason can come to MN for support and kindness and people like you will be drowned out by those supportive voices.

@thebaronetofcockburn we will agreed to disagree on the last. I think you're still a mother when pregnant, just an opinion!

Here's a radical idea: how about we just, I don't know, trust women to make the best decision for them, their bodies and their lives? Shocking concept I know!

What about trusting and believing the women who are in the vast majority and utterly disagree with you ? Whats the matter with you don't you trust women ? Shocking.

There has been several incidence and stories where abortion has occurred and the baby survived.

Link? Given that the heartbeat is stopped before the abortion takes place then I'm very surprised this happened.

Usually they leave it until the baby dies which in my opinion is cruel and there has been cases where the child has been adopted without consulting the parents, this is obviously abroad.

Again, links?

I'm afraid leaving a baby to die is just totally immoral

Who is leaving babies to die?.

Exactly why would a woman abort a third trimester baby?

Your life is at risk?
Your baby's life is at risk?
You were raped?
Something happened suddenly which means you're unable to care for a baby?
You managed to finally escape an abusive relationship where you couldn't pop to the shop for milk alone let alone to a hospital for an abortion?

A very handicapped child I can understand.

Wow how kind of you. So in your eyes disabled children aren't worth bringing into the world, but children as the result of rape, who'd be born into poverty or who pose a risk to their mother are worthy of life? Nice

You are not being forced to be a Mother, you already are Mother by being pregnant

No you're not and the law would thankfully disagree with you.

Question - how does one get to a point where they hate women so much they distrust their decision making capabilities and disregard their lives in favour of a baby they'll never even know otherwise is in utero, a baby they'll never meet and a woman they don't know from Adam?

The majority on MN believe in pro choice.

The majority of users on MN are in favour of our current laws and would not support abortion to term for any reason. The general population in the UK is very much against abortion to term on demand.

@ElonMask

What about trusting and believing the women who are in the vast majority and utterly disagree with you ? Whats the matter with you don't you trust women ? Shocking.

Pardon? Oh I see, you somehow believe that other women are anti-choice therefore no one should have control of their body...yep makes sense

No I don't trust people to make a decision about another woman's body. Why would I? Would you trust some random with decisions about your body because they allegedly buy into one way of thinking?

Also a little reminder to tell anti-choice people how much it doesn't affect you. Go into your town centre, or your work place, and take a look at all the women around you. Some have probably had abortions. You will never know who, or why, it will never affect you even if you did know, it will never affect anyone but her, so why you should give a toss what she does is beyond me.

Neweternal so you are basically saying that because mistakes in diagnosis happen, late term abortions should not be allowed...

That Express article is an emotive piece of pro-life propaganda. You know full well that club foot and cleft palate are often indicators of an underlying much more serious issue which is incompatible with life. But you pro-lifers don't want people to realise that.

No I don't trust people to make a decision about another woman's body. Why would I? Would you trust some random with decisions about your body because they allegedly buy into one way of thinking?

Think about what you've written and how utterly nonsensical it is given the discussion. You would let other people make decisions about your body all the time. Indeed, you would let them decide how to kill a 35 week old baby in there because it's been randomly decided by some other people that it's a baby on one side of the skin and something entirely different apparently on the other.

Some have probably had abortions.

No body is suggesting abortion should be banned..what they are telling you is that the law is fine as it is and they are against giving anyone the power to decide to abort to term for any reason. You find this monstrous but your out on a limb and out of whack with the majority of the country..and it's a democracy with a nationalised health service so take your outrage elsewhere. And stop with the pretence that every one is woman hater except you.

Elon

Pro choice is choice under the current laws it is still pro choice.
Most are pro choice under those rules.

Some like me are full pro choice as in it is the womans choice until the baby is born.

I appreciate for most termination after 24 weeks is unbareable and that is where they stop being pro choice. However we all have to abide by the law so that is acceptable.