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Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89

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TheClaws · 23/12/2018 07:09

It’s chaos in Trump’s world, more so than usual, with #TrumpResign trending in Twitter after a number of key debacles: the pull-out of US troops from Syria, the resignation of General Jim Mattis, and the shutdown of the government over Christmas due to bipartisan disagreement over wall funding. (Those are just 3 issues.) The next few weeks will be rocky.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3442038-But-When-the-president-does-it-that-means-it-is-not-illegal-Trump-thread-LXXXVIII

Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89
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cozietoesie · 28/12/2018 23:52

..... After graduating from the University of California, Berkeley Law School, Letter joined the Department of Justice in 1978. He presented oral argument on behalf of the United States in the U.S. Supreme Court, and over 200 times in the federal courts of appeals and district courts. During his career at the Justice Department, Letter served details in the White House as an Associate Counsel to President Clinton, as a Deputy Associate Attorney General under Attorney General Janet Reno and as Senior Counselor to Attorney General Eric Holder. He was elected to two terms on the D.C. Bar Board of Governors, and served in a variety of advisory posts, including on the D.C. Circuit Advisory Committee on Procedures, where he was Chair; the Judicial Conference Advisory Committee on Appellate Rules; and the Ninth Circuit’s panel of attorney representatives. He taught at the George Washington University Law School for 14 years as an Adjunct Professor.....

cozietoesie · 29/12/2018 00:06

Mr Wittes has a view.

Doug Letter

lionheart · 29/12/2018 01:25

How strange to see someone qualified for a job after all of the Trump picks ...

AcrossthePond55 · 29/12/2018 01:41

Sounds as if the Dems in the House are very concerned that each and every move they make will be absolutely water-tight. And sounds like Mr Letter is the right man for the job!

lionheart · 29/12/2018 02:20

HouseJudiciary

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/12/2018 12:32

When Trump pulls stunts like this I always wonder what he is really up to.

He knows perfectly well that he won't get his wall this time round, when even the Republican senators aren't keen on forcing it through, and he must also have seen that banging on about immigration at the mid-terms didn't work so it's not a vote-winner. It's just yet another "Look! There's Elvis!" moment.

So why is he doing it? What is he trying to hide behind it?

AcrossthePond55 · 29/12/2018 13:37

Just because he's incapable of having more than one thought in his yellow fluff covered head or multitasking doesn't mean Pelosi isn't!

But of course if he can't do something then no one can, right?

Bawbag!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/12/2018 15:21

Exclusive: Russian Ex-Spy Pressured Manafort Over Debts to an Oligarch

time.com/5490169/paul-manafort-victor-boyarkin-debts/

lionheart · 29/12/2018 16:14

'[Y]ellow fluff covered head' is good. Smile

cozietoesie · 29/12/2018 16:48

A 'letter' ?

cozietoesie · 29/12/2018 18:24

Would he resign? (Don't.read this Newsweek piece if you're feeling at all low.)

Shades Of Nixon

AcrossthePond55 · 29/12/2018 21:08

That's actually a very good and realistic article, cozie, although you're right in that it's not a very encouraging one!!

What got Nixon to resign was when GOP members of the House went to him in a deputation and told him that impeachment was a certainty and that if he didn't want to be impeached, he should resign. He reportedly said "If I've lost the House, I've lost the presidency" or some such. At any rate, he realized that it was either resignation or impeachment and probable removal from office.

I'm beginning to think that Scrotus could care less about impeachment because he knows he will never be removed from office even if he's impeached. He'd try to use it to his advantage with his base in some way. And the only way he'd resign would be if he could be convinced that the Country would fall apart without him, in a "If you won't play my way, I'm going to take my ball and go straight home!!!" gesture. You know, see it as 'punishment' for not 'appreciating how marvelous he is'. But I don't know what it would take to make him to do that!

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/12/2018 21:34

I don't think getting him out before 2020 is going to happen, and I am not sure it would be a good thing even if it could be done. The important thing is for them to find out everything possible against him and also his venal family and hangers-on, then use every scrap of it against him and them when he runs for a second term so that he doesn't win.

Otherwise all that happens is that Pence takes over, which will do no particular good.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/12/2018 22:55

Exactly what I think Asking. It's all about making him unre-electable and 'neutering' him as much as possible (legislatively) for the rest of his term.

Although I'm still up in the air about Pence. Yes, he's ultra-right, but he also is a politician and knows the game. Plus with a Dem House, it'd be harder to get his ultra-right 'agenda' through. At this point, he'd be a 'place-holder' for the rest of the term and I think he'd know that. The concern of course is that it would strengthen his position for a run in 2020.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 30/12/2018 08:51

Interesting, thought-provoking article. But I struggled to muster any sympathy for them.

“They Say We’re White Supremacists”: Inside the Strange World of Conservative College Women
www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/conservative-college-women-university-of-north-carolina-republicans

TheNorthWestPawsage · 30/12/2018 09:01

More worrying however:

Cyber-attack disrupts printing of major US newspapers
Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Wall Street Journal and New York Times among titles affected by virus that hit shared systems
www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/dec/30/cyber-attack-disrupts-printing-of-major-us-newspapers

TheNorthWestPawsage · 30/12/2018 09:06

Each time Mike Pence visits a Trump property, the Trump Organization likely earns thousands of dollars.
www.citizensforethics.org/pence-is-visiting-trump-properties/

TheNorthWestPawsage · 30/12/2018 14:04

Outgoing White House chief of staff John Kelly is blaming former Attorney General Jeff Sessions for a policy that led to the separations of thousands of migrant families at the southern border.
thehill.com/homenews/administration/423212-kelly-blames-sessions-for-family-separation-policy