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Shutdowns, military pullouts, and resignations: it’s Christmas and Trump thread 89

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TheClaws · 23/12/2018 07:09

It’s chaos in Trump’s world, more so than usual, with #TrumpResign trending in Twitter after a number of key debacles: the pull-out of US troops from Syria, the resignation of General Jim Mattis, and the shutdown of the government over Christmas due to bipartisan disagreement over wall funding. (Those are just 3 issues.) The next few weeks will be rocky.

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3442038-But-When-the-president-does-it-that-means-it-is-not-illegal-Trump-thread-LXXXVIII

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PerkingFaintly · 31/12/2018 13:56

He added that it would be "great" if President Trump's postponed state visit could take place in May, around the time of World War Two commemorations - if his schedule, and that of the Queen, allowed.

Shock So he could disrespect war dead in the UK, having disrespected them in France?

No ta.

AcrossthePond55 · 31/12/2018 17:00

Yes, yes, let him have his state visit, please.

Then hear us roar across the sea "Build that wall, build that wall!!!" Grin

(Seriously, I wouldn't wish him on my worst enemy)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/12/2018 17:08

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
Interesting. Government just filed a joint status report under seal for Sam Patten, a Manafort/Kilimnik associate who pleaded guilty in August to failing to register as a foreign agent and admitted to steering foreign funds to Trump's inaugural. He's been cooperating ever since.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/12/2018 17:17

Dan Friedman
@dfriedman33
Roger Stone is attacking Jerome Corsi because Corsi effectively said that he has told Mueller that he conspired with Stone to lie to the House Intelligence Committee. (link: www.facebook.com/rogerstone/posts/10156703907898617 ; (link: www.instagram.com/p/BsA69mug5wR/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/12/2018 17:30

Olga Lautman
@olgaNYC1211
The State Dept has confirmed the detention of Paul Whelan and has requested consular access. The Russian press keeps comparing this to Butina and we will not allow this to turn into a spy swap which is what they are most likely gambling on

mobile.twitter.com/olgaNYC1211/status/1079785293119672321

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/12/2018 17:31

Malcolm Nance
@MalcolmNance
#HostileGovernmentDetention in action. They want #MariaButina back. Which almost cofrims she was a Russian intelligence asset

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/12/2018 17:54

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lionheart · 31/12/2018 17:58

Yes, but:

a. We try not to utter his name.
b. We have lots of other words we use instead.

Minimammoth · 31/12/2018 18:21

Like , or is that just our house.

Minimammoth · 31/12/2018 18:22

Fartface strangely disappeared.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 31/12/2018 18:25

A farewell message from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, who departs his office this evening.
twitter.com/danlamothe/status/1079745663850766336?s=21

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 31/12/2018 18:33

Everywhere is 'more pleasant' when Fartface (

cozietoesie · 31/12/2018 18:37

Strewth. That Mattis statement.........

AcrossthePond55 · 31/12/2018 19:29

The thing about presidential indictment is that it's never been tested. I've seen rational arguments by legal beagles on both sides. I think (hope) that chances are something serious enough for indictment would be serious enough for impeachment & removal, which would remove that 'sitting president' obstacle.

Clinton's lying to a federal grand jury wasn't serious enough for removal because the reason for his lies was more of a 'moral' issue (concealing infidelity) than a 'criminal' one. Scrotus' crimes are more of a serious nature: conspiracy to direct the outcome of a federal election, fraud, and other financial crimes. Any lying he may do/have done in connection with his crimes will be a small piece of that huge pie.

IF we get to that point (impeachment) it will be interesting to see where the Senate falls on removal. Remember, we aren't just concealing an affair here, we are talking about crimes that, at any other time, would be considered treason.

PerkingFaintly · 31/12/2018 19:35

Shock at the Mattis statement.

PerkingFaintly · 31/12/2018 19:40

The Soviet Union used to regularly do tit-for-tat expulsions of random diplomats or other Brits whenever it's agents got caught and chucked out of the UK.

So looks like same old same old.

As the tweets quoted by Pain say, this is pretty much confirmation (were any still needed) that Butina was a Russian asset.

cozietoesie · 31/12/2018 20:26

Does Butina actually want out? Smile

PerkingFaintly · 31/12/2018 20:27

A good question, cozie!

lionheart · 31/12/2018 21:17

Safer to stay put I would think ...

lionheart · 31/12/2018 21:19

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