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Mil - Is this normal behaviour or interfering/controlling?

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NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 18/12/2018 09:33

For every birthday she texts or rings DH to make sure he sends a card and present, then rings him later to make sure he has done it. Sometimes she even tries to pick the present he should get or tell him how much he should spend (like trying to get DH to get a 50 pound birthday present for his aunt when she gets him nothing, sometimes not even a card). She even does this for thank you cards as well, telling us when we must send them. We didn't send thank you cards for the gifts we received for our son soon after having him so she send us a pack of thank you cards in the post to send people (we were busy and would have got round to it later). She even told DH who to send our baby scan pictures to, and that we must announce the birth on facebook. Just lots of make sure you do this then calls later to make sure he does it.

She didn’t want us to have a baby telling my DH "I hope your not trying for a baby". When we were were moving in together and DH was buying a house step FIL sent an email to both of us insinuating I might be a gold digger so be careful, and make sure we both do what is right etc (worded in the nicest possible way and I’m sure it was MIL’s idea). She told my DH the maximum amount he should spend on an engagement ring. At my sons christening we were trying to take pictures and she was in my DH's face saying we need to donate (we were going to after taking some photos) and she was demanding to know how much. His brother once went on a blind date with a women 5 years older than him and she was shouting and shouting about the age difference (I was staying at her house and could hear the yelling through the walls). She once thought I said I was a couple of years older than I am and the look on her face. When we first started dating she said I should really make an effort and wear makeup. If he puts on a little weight, she tells him he needs to walk to work (5 miles away), only have 1 meal a day, asks if he is eating to much junk food, and when she visits touches his belly and makes comments like "ow dear". We have decided I will be a sahm because with the cost of travel and childcare I would be just about breaking even or paying to work depending on how many days I can work from home. MIL is not happy with this telling my DH I should just work because I need a job and even tried to bribe him by saying she will pay for part of nursery (not an option because she would hold this over our head).

She constantly talks to me and DH as if we are children. When DH told her I was pregnant she was almost in tears on the phone asking how will we cope. For the first month after giving birth she would ring every day, giving unsolicited advice and pointing out the obvious. I really have to grit my teeth when talking to her because she constantly talks to me like a child.

She uses emotional blackmail to try and get what she wants. Like after always spending Christmas at her house, the first time we were going to spend it with my parents her reply was "but it could be your grandmothers last Christmas". One weekend we said she couldn't visit because I had a bad mastitis infection and I was devastated we had to top up with formula because our baby was losing weight. I especially didn't want to see her because she has been against breastfeeding since I have got pregnant making negative comments. She was constantly telling my husband "my friend started formula feeding and they and baby were much happier, and they got a prep machine and it was so much easier, ill get you one and you can formula feed". She also came into my bedroom when I was trying to breastfeed and she told me “its just so difficult, there is really no shame in giving up”. Because she couldn't visit that weekend she was shouting at DH over the phone saying "I'm just trying to help", and then she didn't visit for months and just sent texts implying we were stopping her from visiting and when will I be able to see my grandchild (we were just stopping her that one weekend). She also looked for any minor excuse to try to blame him or scold him for something.

She will lie and deny a lot of the things I'm saying here or say “I’m just trying to help”. She will deny things when its really obvious she is lying. She once made my DH buy a dress for me and his sister when they were in a store together. Mine mysteriously disappeared and his sister got it as a gift from MIL and when my DH asked where the dress was she denied all knowledge of its existence.

AIBU to be annoyed by this? Is this normal standard parent/ Mil behaviour?

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agnurse · 18/12/2018 15:47

Not normal. It may be that's just the way she is. Doesn't mean YOU have to put up with it.

My suggestion: let DH handle her on his own. Tell him you and DS are off the table until he gets a handle on her.

myfatarse · 18/12/2018 15:53

How did you parents react to her message?

NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 18/12/2018 16:02

myfatarse
Think they were a bit shocked to receive it. Think it made them release what she is like

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NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 18/12/2018 16:10

I think my BIL listens to MIL's advice more than my DH does, I feel sorry for his gf and what lies ahead for her

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Jux · 18/12/2018 16:14

If your dh is not onside, then the end of your marriage is inevitable, just a matter of how soon.

Read one of those books ^^, it might slow down the demise. Might even stop it.

NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 18/12/2018 16:50

Jux
Thanks, think ill look at the Toxic Inlaws book

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dancingbee · 18/12/2018 16:58

Oh my goodness. This is an exact description of my mother. Your MIL clearly has anxiety and control issues and I think @TuttiFrutti's description of the parent-child relationship is spot on. I certainly didn't notice the controlling behaviour until I was perhaps 13 and started to develop my own opinions and our relationship became very volatile. She continues to try and control my life as if I'm 10 years old and has frequent tantrums when she doesn't get her way.

To all the people saying your DH needs to stand up to her.. although this is true, I think that unless you've been the child of an overly controlling parent it is difficult to fully understand. He will be used to being manipulated and obeying her commands to avoid her tantrums and her withdrawal of love if he doesn't do as she pleases. I've been trying to put my foot down with my mum but it's resulted in her crying, shouting, telling me I'm an awful person etc etc. It's taken my DH to show me that she is the one with the issues.

I'd try to instil boundaries. Tell your DH what these are, why they're needed, and keep reiterating them. You really do need to get him on board and get him to be willing to stand up to her. I still find it difficult with mine as it makes me feel like a horrible person, but that's what being the child of a controlling, anxious and narcissistic parent does to you! Every time she makes comments or does things to try and control me, my DH is there to reiterate why it's unacceptable and that's been a huge help. Unfortunately our issues aren't fully resolved. If it was up to DH we'd cut all ties and move far far away but I know she'd make me feel so awful about it that I'm not sure I can.

Motoko · 18/12/2018 17:21

If it was up to DH we'd cut all ties and move far far away but I know she'd make me feel so awful about it that I'm not sure I can.

You need to block all her means of contact with you. That way, she can't get to you to try making you feel bad.

These people are using coercive control, which is now illegal. You can divorce a husband for it (and possibly get him a criminal record), and you can "divorce" a parent for it by going no contact. Just because they're family, it doesn't mean you cannot go no contact.

Do not allow these people to ruin your life.

dancingbee · 18/12/2018 17:42

@Motoko I absolutely know you're right and it pisses me off that I've been conditioned to bow to her needs and feel guilty about my desire to have no contact!

My brother is much more keen to give in to her for an easy life and doesn't seem quite as bothered by her ways. Seems similar to your DH Op.

Motoko · 18/12/2018 18:32

@dancingbee Perhaps have some therapy to help you to realise that you've been conditioned to feel that guilt.

You are absolutely not the "bad" person in this relationship. Allow your DH to support you. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

dancingbee · 18/12/2018 18:37

Thank you @Motoko

Lettermethis · 18/12/2018 18:42

“I’m just trying to help”

Is batshit-crazy code for 'im trying to control you.'

Can you move far far away?!

llangennith · 18/12/2018 18:50

Tell your DH that if it continues you may have to get him to choose between his wife and his mother as you are not going to put up with the affect it's having on you and your marriage.

crispysausagerolls · 18/12/2018 20:37

OP and cadburysflake are our mother in laws related?!? Eerily similar.

NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 18/12/2018 20:48

dancingbee Thanks, what you said is spot on, the withdrawal of love and how difficult it is for the child of an overly controlling parent
My brother is much more keen to give in to her for an easy life and doesn't seem quite as bothered by her ways. Seems similar to your DH Op. Yeah both DH and especially BIL just want to dig their head in the sand, ces't la vie thats just how she is, and are more keen to give in to her for a quiet life

Lettermethis
“I’m just trying to help” Is batshit-crazy code for 'im trying to control you.' Yeah she seems to use that phrase a lot and wish I could move far far away, wish there was a whole ocean between me and MIL

llangennith worried DH would pick his mother

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Motoko · 18/12/2018 21:01

If he chose her over you, you're better off out of the marriage. Let him go back to her, she can look after him.

I do think you should spell it out to him in no uncertain terms, that if he doesn't put boundaries in place, to protect his wife (the person he vowed to love and cherish) and child (an innocent who shouldn't be exposed to this behaviour), then you'll have to divorce him.

Either he protects you and your child, or you will.

Weenurse · 19/12/2018 08:56

Captain Awkward has some very good advice on dealing with people like your MIL.
Pushing back is difficult as ‘this is how she is’ is generally how the family responds. MIL is used to manipulating everyone and will fight any loss of control.
You need to get DH on side and be a United front.
Give Captain Awkward a go.

NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 19/12/2018 09:35

crispysausagerolls did your Mil get worse and have similar reactions to getting married and having children?

Weenurse Thanks, do I look on captainawkward .com ?

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Blondebakingmumma · 19/12/2018 23:01

I would subtley push back.

“That’s the way I like to do things”
“I’m the mummy and that is what I want to do for MY children”
“That’s not kind”
“Thanks for the “advice” but I’d prefer to do it my way”

Don’t get angry. If your hubby accepts that MIL is the way she is, he will have to accept you the way you are too- someone who will stand up for themselves.

I wouldn’t be letting her have any one on one time with the kids as they grow up. I’d be protecting them from her nonsense

Loopytiles · 19/12/2018 23:11

“If it was up to DH we'd cut all ties and move far far away but I know she'd make me feel so awful about it that I'm not sure I can”.

No one can MAKE you feel anything. You are not responsible for your H’s mother’s feelings or behaviour. If moving away would work for you and DH, sounds like a good solution.

It won’t do anyone any favours putting up with this shit. Suggest you personally go low contact with MIL and explain this to DH. He can listen to her / comply with her interference and requests for him to do X, Y or Z if he chooses. His problem.

Hopefully he will get it and adjust his behaviour with her. If not, and he prioritises his unhealthy relationship with her over your marriage then your marriage is likely to be doomed, and you’d be better off finding out sooner rather than later.

Motoko · 20/12/2018 09:27

Loopytiles that quote was from another poster, about her own mother.

Missingstreetlife · 20/12/2018 10:00

He's right, she's not going to change. If he's happy leave him to it but you and dc don't have to have any contact. Also while you need to have a rough idea what your husband is telling her or promising, you don't need a blow by blow account. Get him to stop with the running commentary it is enabling him to continue. Also if it impacts on me, he and she would find me more difficult than her. Put your foot down, and just stay out of the way

Missingstreetlife · 20/12/2018 10:02

Omg. Just saw your husband would cut all ties. Do it!
How can she make you feel bad if you're no contact?

NeedAGoodUsernameThatIsntTaken · 20/12/2018 10:49

Just saw your husband would cut all ties. Do it! Unfortunately that was another poster talking about their mum, wish my husband would even go low contact with his mother.

Motoko
you're better off out of the marriage
I'm worried about pushing back to much or giving him an ultimatum that this will happen, and then she will get all the one on one contact she wants with my DC because its like he becomes a different person in the presence of his mother, he reverts to being a child again almost. Feel like a need to grin and bear as much as a can to protect DC from her nonsense. God I sound controlling now :(

If he's happy leave him to it but you and dc don't have to have any contact
If I don't go at Christmas he will just go with the DC on his own because in his words "my mother just wants to spend some time with the DC"

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Missingstreetlife · 20/12/2018 12:04

Sorry, confusion.

I couldn't live like that, and nor should your dc.