To want David Cameron's head on a platter?

Ladymargarethall · 2018-12-13T07:49:07+00:00

If he hadn't given in to pressure from Tory back benchers we would still be bumbling along in Europe.

RobinHumphries · 13/12/2018 07:54

It wasn’t just the Tory back benchers though was it? I mean there was a reason that slightly more than half the country voted out

scaryteacher · 13/12/2018 07:54

No, we wouldn't be 'bumbling' as the EU is about to go through some changes leading to ever closer union. There was never a status quo to be had by voting remain, given the nature of the Acquis, and with further enlargement coming down the tracks.

crumpet · 13/12/2018 08:01

The thing is though, Ever since 2013, before the 2015 election (and before the 2014 indyref vote) he was clear that he would hold the referendum on a yes/no basis. So I do find the finger pointing at him a bit difficult.

(To be clear, I did not want the Eu referendum, and do not want brexit, but struggle to find him solely accountable for this mess, given that it wasn’t exactly a surprise that he was going to do this, and was elected anyway)

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Ladymargarethall · 13/12/2018 08:15

I did not vote Tory and feel.increasingly helpless, not just about Brexit, but all the issues relating to Universal credit, disability benefits, cuts to services etc.
I love in Brokenshire a bankrupt county, where all the MPs are Tory, most of the councillors are Tory, and my MP has never voted against the Government.

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ADropofReality · 13/12/2018 08:19

...and?

All you're saying is you found yourself in the minority in a referendum, and so you wish the people had not been able to vote. I was/am in the same minority but that's how democracy goes.

I wonder if, hating the result of the first referendum and wishing it'd never happened, you nevertheless think there should be a People's Vote second referendum?

Truckingonandon · 13/12/2018 08:19

Robin - slightly more than half the country didn't vote out 🙄 Slightly more than half the country didn't vote at all, let alone out.

BlindAssassin1 · 13/12/2018 08:26

YAsoooo NBU

It was totally the wrong time to do it, what with being in the midst of the (ideologically driven) austerity drive and all. It was an attempt at grand standing, of marking his premiership, and didn't it do that!

He caused a gigantic clusterfuck then buggered off for someone else to clear up. Then a few weeks ago I see that he wanted to return to front line politics! The brass neck of the man is unreal.

bialystockandbloom · 13/12/2018 08:28

The divisions over Europe in the Tory party go way way back before David Cameron though, back to Edward Heath and before, so it wasn't really Cameron who raised the issue.

His major fuck up was not thinking through the referendum or Remain campaign with an iota of proper care,

ShovingLeopard · 13/12/2018 08:33

YA definitely NBU.

I want that too, for the sheer stupidity and recklessness of running a referendum where people didn't know what they were voting for (but apparently felt free to make a massive leap of faith nonetheless ; where its advisory status was not made clear; which was massively corrupted by outside forces who wish us ill; and which has sown massive discord and division across the country.

That he thinks it's acceptable to just run away from the above mess, rather than stay and put his mistakes right, shows you the measure of the man.

Schmoobarb · 13/12/2018 08:34

All you're saying is you found yourself in the minority in a referendum, and so you wish the people had not been able to vote.

I can’t speak for the OP but I think that while you can’t blame the voters as such for being stupid enough to vote for Brexit given the options, the time for a referendum should have been NOW ie once he’d negotiated a deal and people would have known what “out” looked like.

OP YANBU David Cameron is an utter tit who should hang his head in shame at the shitshow he’s caused

Barabajagal · 13/12/2018 08:35

I think Danny Dyer said it best.

IsThereRoomAtTheInn · 13/12/2018 08:36

I was surprised and disappointed when he resigned.

Silly of me I know.

IsThereRoomAtTheInn · 13/12/2018 08:37

He has shown himself to be a very careless man imo.

ShovingLeopard · 13/12/2018 08:37

Oh, and I forgot (how could I?!) for the cardinal sin of offering an option to Joe Public to vote to impoverish everyone in return for emotional reasons. Trusting such a nuanced economic decision to a general public, of whom 50% don't know what 50% is*, was an act of sheer folly.

ElainaElephant · 13/12/2018 08:37

The thing is though, Ever since 2013, before the 2015 election (and before the 2014 indyref vote) he was clear that he would hold the referendum on a yes/no basis. So I do find the finger pointing at him a bit difficult

So it's the tory voters to blame then? OK.

Monkeynuts18 · 13/12/2018 08:38

YANBU.

He asked a stupid question, he got a stupid answer. Which is why you shouldn’t ask the electorate stupid questions just to appease some of your mates.

MissionItsPossible · 13/12/2018 08:42

Didn’t know we’d left Europe.

ShatnersWig · 13/12/2018 08:44

@Truckingonandon you said slightly more than half the country didn't vote out 🙄 Slightly more than half the country didn't vote at all, let alone out

Where do you get that from? That would mean 51% of the population didn't vote. Now, we now the turnout was 72%, so there were 28% of the voting population who didn't vote. The only way I can assume you get to 51% of the country not voting at all is is 23% of the population are aged 17 and under.

malificent7 · 13/12/2018 08:44

Yes Danny Dyer got it right.

Why did he promise the referendum if he wanted to remain? Seems to me that Dave and Therasa dont have enough authority to stamp on party extremists.

BrexitDestruction · 13/12/2018 08:47

Barely anybody gave a monkey's about EU membership until they were whipped into a frenzy about it by the tabloids and the likes of Farage. Conned.

We could have quite happily carried on as we were.

Instead of dealing with the ERG bastards himself, he called a disastrous referendum and split the country forever. I don't see how the country will recover before I'm dead.

My children will probably have grandchildren and we will still be trying to sort this out.

I hope he never has a decent sleep again, but it seems he's quite easily able to brush all this off and go about his life as it will never affect him with his pots of money.

malificent7 · 13/12/2018 08:48

And Tory voters did play a large part in this.if you read the manifesto you should know what principles you are voting for. Voters got us this government. 100%

Monkeynuts18 · 13/12/2018 08:54

Also, this ‘the public voted and you don’t like the response’ argument - we don’t ask the public about every single decision because the public can’t always be trusted to make the right decision.

I bet you could get the electorate to vote in favour of restoring the death penalty. Doesn’t make it right. I wouldn’t be surprised if you could get them to vote in favour of criminalising abortion. Or making holidays to the Canary Islands free on the NHS. Again, doesn’t make it right or a good idea. And unlike brexit, all of those would be rapidly reversible policy decisions!

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Ladymargarethall · 13/12/2018 08:55

Adropofreality no I do not support a second vote. To use a very annoying phrase 'We are where we are' and a second people's vote would be a gigantic waste of time and money.
I was unable to vote because on the day of the vote I had to make a 3 hour journey to look after a sick relative. My circumstances did not qualify for a proxy vote.

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WhatsUpHun · 13/12/2018 08:59

Truckingonandon
Robin - slightly more than half the country didn't vote out 🙄 Slightly more than half the country didn't vote at all, let alone out.

well the other half should have sodding got out and voted!

ElainaElephant · 13/12/2018 09:43

And Tory voters did play a large part in this.if you read the manifesto you should know what principles you are voting for. Voters got us this government. 100%

I love it when I can't tell if someone is arguing with me or agreeing with me!