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To want David Cameron's head on a platter?

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Ladymargarethall · 13/12/2018 07:49

If he hadn't given in to pressure from Tory back benchers we would still be bumbling along in Europe.

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SantaClauseMightWork · 14/12/2018 06:44

the thing is though, Ever since 2013, before the 2015 election (and before the 2014 indyref vote) he was clear that he would hold the referendum on a yes/no basis.So I do find the finger pointing at him a bit difficult.

That just shows how he didn’t bother for such a long time to try and understand such a complex problem before attamepting to ‘correct’ the situation. It just shows incompetency.

SantaClauseMightWork · 14/12/2018 06:46

Consistent incompetency is not something desirable in a PM.

IWasTrendingThereForAMinute · 14/12/2018 06:51

What Mablethorpe said.

DC had no choice but to hold a referendum. He had UKIP and Nigel Farage breathing down his neck. It was made part of the manifesto for that reason and that reason alone. DC was given no choice whatsoever.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 14/12/2018 07:11

How original, another Remainer pity party. Time to stop whining

SilverSurfer thanks so much for drawing attention to our silly whining ways. Gosh what a bunch of old moaners we are!
Let’s all just have a jolly old knees up instead shall we - whilst our country falls into a shambolic mess (an entirely predictable one), and the idealistic dream of the brexiteers and our selfish politicians kills our economy, and we seen as are the laughing stock of the western world.
Bleugh!

IWasTrendingThereForAMinute · 14/12/2018 07:26

Onemore dead right.

This country is turning to rat shit before our very eyes. Coming out of the EU is going to accelerate that tenfold.

Time was when Brits could just bugger off somewhere warmer to get away from the shit show this country is turning into but even that is likely to be denied us now.

PebbleDashed · 14/12/2018 07:45

Oh yes. Him and all the idiots in our political class over the last 20 years who were blaming all the home problems that THEY INFLICTED on us on Europe.
The UK is one of the more if not the most unequal countries in Europe and it is a quite deliberate choice of an out-of-touch elite based in London. We all know the EU has troubles, but this did not have to happen.

PebbleDashed · 14/12/2018 07:48

Add some of the media moghuls and their sensationalising crap too.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 14/12/2018 07:50

Absolutely Pebbledashed.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 14/12/2018 07:52

Cameron did not need to promise a referendum. Yes, Europe has long been an issue for the Tories but he did not have to bow to the pressure of UKIP. We live in a parliamentary democracy and we vote in our representatives to make these kinds of decisions on our behalf. And of course he only promised a referendum because he thought he’d win it.

But then the referendum questions were rubbish

And the remain campaign was terrible

What a tragedy it all is - and Cameron has to carry a huge part of the blame. Oh, and Osborne too (twat)

Schmoobarb · 14/12/2018 07:57

DC had no choice but to hold a referendum. He had UKIP and Nigel Farage breathing down his neck

UKIP were not and were never going to be a real threat.

theredjellybean · 14/12/2018 07:58

I loathe dc for what he did. I think he is a smug upper class snob.
I think he arrogantly believed that the 'lower classes and little people' would follow him and vote remain cus surely he knows best
Or he vastly over estimated the general publics ability to grasp the complexity and consequences of leaving Europe.
I think he did know to a large degree what it would be like and believed everyone else would too, or at least everyone who would vote.
He and his cronies dismiss anyone they see as lower class, as unlikely to be bothered with this stuff and unlikely to vote.
In the run up to the vote he should have been paying more attention to the endless reports in the media of people spouting about how we have too many immigrants and the country's full... And he should have judged to mood and bloody got out there and campaigned better

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Ladymargarethall · 14/12/2018 08:00

They thought they were though.Grin I remember a UK member on television predicting a landslide victory (despite there being many constituencies without a candidate).

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Ladymargarethall · 14/12/2018 08:02

UKIP not UK.

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partystress · 14/12/2018 08:02

YAVDNBU. I can barely contain my rage at him and the 'ERG'. They are a bunch of privileged, self-serving, sneering shits whose massive wealth, experience and connections immunises them against any negative consequences of the enormous damage they are inflicting on the rest of us. Farage was just a chancer who got lucky. Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Raab, Lilley etc know exactly what they're doing. Cameron maybe less so - just an arrogant, complacent, lazy waster.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 14/12/2018 08:04

Caroline Lucas made a good point on question time last night about the causes that led so many people to vote leave in the first place.

As a remainer she said she has total respect for the leave voters because the reason so many voted leave was because they were furious with a political establishment that has ignored them for decades and decades. They’re upset that so much prosperity and services have been concentrated in London and the south.

The commission of social mobility identified the 30 worst places for social mobility in the U.K. and guess what? Everyone one of them voted leave.

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Ladymargarethall · 14/12/2018 08:05

I wonder if he is still sitting in his shepherd's hut writing his book. If not you could fit several.homeless people in there..

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 14/12/2018 08:07

the leave vote was a protest vote as much as anything else and it is a tragedy that those most in need will once again suffer the most as a result of leaving

Justanotherlurker · 14/12/2018 08:12

I was surprised and disappointed when he resigned.

He was, with most of the establishment an ardent remainer so I can see why he didn't want to handle the shit show, and pretty much everyone did assume remain would win, as others have said he had to hold it when he did as UKIP was taking votes from both labour and the Tories and actually recieved a lot of votes but was screwed by our FPTP system to only get one seat, you are also forgetting that Blair also ran with an EU ref in his manifesto so there would have been one at some point anyway.

No one side comes out of this looking better than anyone else, both sides are full of people parroting headlines without any real knowledge.

Quartz2208 · 14/12/2018 08:12

The problem for me is this:

David Cameron thought that the vote would go down on the side of remain because he only thought of the right wing leavers - he completely and totally forgot about the left wing leavers who wanted brexit for different reasons (having perceived industry to be destroyed by that)

I blame Boris Johnson I dont for one minute think he was a brexiteer he saw an opportunity to become PM and he took it.

The others who are at fault are those who sold Brexit as being something acheiveable that somehow 40 years of aligning ourselves with Europe was a straightforward process - partly driven by an England centric view and forgetting that the problem is and will continue to be do the GFA and the backstop in Northern Ireland

Even now JRM et al dont really believe they can Brexit any better than TM its a poisoned chalice they are doing it for their own politicial aspirations

DeepanKrispanEven · 14/12/2018 08:13

Cameron promised a referendum out of pure self-interest, because he wanted to do whatever it would take to get himself elected. That didn't mean that the majority of Conservative voters actually wanted a referendum, but was probably just enough to stop a number of them voting UKIP.

Having been greedy and stupid enough to do that, he could and should have had the sense to time the referendum sensibly, and to build in a number of safeguards including in particular a second vote once the terms of any exit were known. He could also have ensured an effective campaign that saw off the nonsense like the ridiculous promises of megabucks for the NHS, and made it very clear to the racists that a No vote would not mean that every non-white resident would be on the next plane home. And he could have built in further safeguards which would effectively prevent the Leave campaign's repeated illegal conduct by providing that it would nullify the vote.

SergeantPfeffer · 14/12/2018 08:19

He should be in the tower IMO. It’s not just the utter folly of holding a referendum on such a complex and important issue solely for the benefit of your own party, it’s the arrogance of how it was done. To not require a clear majority, to not think about the devolved nations, to allow the referendum without a plan or white paper for what leave would entail.

The man is a tool.

mothertruck3r · 14/12/2018 08:30

Tony Blair's too?

Justanotherlurker · 14/12/2018 08:30

and important issue solely for the benefit of your own party,

It wasn't solely for his party, UKIP were taking a large quantity of votes from both Labour and Conservatives.

McWilde · 14/12/2018 08:38

I think a good amount of people in the UK did not even know we were in the EU, or didn't really care one way or another. Or maybe it's just the people I know Grin
It was all about settling some divisions within political parties.
Am not entirely convinced that they're not keeping this Brexit shitstorm going so they don't have to deal with more domestic shitstorms like UC, housing crisis, police numbers etc.