To think this is ridiculous and will mostly affect the poor of London?

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www.standard.co.uk/news/london/new-emissions-zone-to-hit-drivers-with-1250-a-day-pollution-tax-a3858531.html

I understand he wants to reduce pollution but how is this going to help the hundreds of thousands of poor people who can't afford to buy a new car, pay the fee (£12.50 per day!) or pay the fine, especially after people were encouraged to buy diesel cars?

Great if you are rich and can easily buy a new car but there are loads of poor people in London who can't do this and rely on their old car for their jobs, taking kids to school, disabled getting about etc.

It's not very well thought through. I thought Labour was supposed to be the party to help the poor. Seems all this will do is help boost new car sales for big manufacturers whilst screwing a huge part of the electorate that voted for him !

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It said on the news last night that petrol cars over 10 yrs old and deisel cars over 3 yrs old will have to pay.

I read that cars under 15 years old are exempt. I put my 11 year old petrol car in checker and it said it will be exempt.

@AliceLateAgain exactly. People on this thread who are in favour of public transport must not commute in central London because today changing at Oxford Circus at rush hour to get on the victoria line I waited for 8 trains before I could squeeze on one. Don't see how forcing more people on public transport without a plan to increase trains or whatever is going to help.

Public transport is not the only option. There are bicycles.

@masterandmargarita true, not if you live outside zone 1&2 tho

Public transport is not the only option. There are bicycles.

I used a Boris Bike twice - never again. It's honestly the scariest thing I've ever done & I've been commuting to London on a Motorbike for 20 years.

At least people don't try to barge you out of the way on a Motorbike...

I live in London, have an old car and two SN children.

I totally agree with it. We need something radical to reduce the air pollution our children are breathing in. We have an excellent public transport system in the city, it's faster than driving.

Yes some journeys may take a little more planning; getting to the science Museum with an autistic child on public transport will be trickier- but worth it in the long run if we are all doing our bit to reduce pollution.

Oh and we are poor. I had to give up work to care for the DC, we live in social housing and have a very hand to mouth existence. But we're not under pressure to leave London. There doesn't seem to be much social cleansing around here (but we're not in a posh bit 😁)

It’s not just London unfortunately it’s spreading to other cities. It will kill off the high street and make it very difficult for lower paid workers for whom public transport isn’t necessarily an option eg parents who have to do school drop off on their way to work.

Climate change is a natural cyclical process. The first electric car was made back in the 19th century (1846 I believe). Do you think that over 100 years ago we couldn't produce environmentally friendly transport?

With the catalytic converters in older cars and beyond to the cars we have today, there is far less CO2 than there was many decades ago. The global temperature has been going down since post-WW2.

Many scientists are now saying that the numbers don't add up and that CO2 is a very minor contributor to global warming. In fact, more and more professors specialising in climate science, paeleo-climatology and oceanography are saying that water is the most important greenhouse gas, and is the biggest contributor to climate change.

It might be an idea to have a look at this documentary (in know, I know, it's Channel 4, but no-one bats an eyelid when it's the BBC/Guardians etc).

Climate Change Documentary

Well done Scruffbags. Your posting that in a thread about particulates pollution says all that needs to be said about the quality of thinking of climate change deniers and saves us the bother of engaging.

So, why are "classic cars" exempted? If this is really about pollution all cars before a certain date should be included, it's not like classic cars are somehow better for the environment just because they look nice.

Looks like the rich can't be expected to have to pay more for their lovely classic cars, only the poor and lower middle income plebs need to cough up for protecting the environment so that classic car owners can travel around London in their convertibles in peace without being bothered by plebs in old bangers.

Looks like the rich can't be expected to have to pay more for their lovely classic cars,

Grow Up.

Why do people have to try to shoehorn the Rich Vs Poor angle in all the time.

There are just as many "classic" mini's, Anglias, Austins on the road owned by normal people as there are rollers etc....

The classics exemption is ludicrous yes. If you want to give the Queen a pass on her favourite Rolls in the interest of heritage and exempt the London to Brighton car rally then do that. But I don’t see why everyone who gratifies their vanity with a lovely mid-seventies Merc should be exempt. Cough up or flog it to an East Anglian.

The rich will end up living in London and having to do their own cleaning and 'low paid jobs'. It won't be sustainable in the long run.
We need a revolution!

We need a revolution

Not at all! It's only London - most of the population don't live in London.

Most people that work in London don't live in London.

Most people don't give a shiny shit about London!

Will an extra fiver a week stretch your finances to breaking point though FoolsnMothers? what’s the fiver for?

my dbro in law car is 5 years old sand will have to pay because it doesnt have low enougbn emissions-my four year old car is fine

i did check the emissions before i bought it as i have to take dh into work once a month or so in central london

The rich will end up living in London and having to do their own cleaning and 'low paid jobs'. It won't be sustainable in the long run.
Or they'll just have to pay slightly more for people to do those jobs

it doesnt help that the bo9un dary evetually will be wider than the normal congestion charge for those living in the wider area they will now have to start paying

The rich will end up living in London and having to do their own cleaning and 'low paid jobs'.

Surely you can see a different outcome, the one based on supply an demand?

Surely you can see a different outcome, the one based on supply an demand?

Well, when they capped housing benefit, they said landlords would have to keep their rents reasonable, but instead, they just turned the houses into HMOs.

For NMW jobs, I can see lots of immigrant labour, people who are willing to live in one room, or those beds in sheds. Families won't be able to afford to live in London, nor afford the costs of the commute. There are already staffing shortages in the NHS because people can't afford to live in London, but because it's public sector, the wages are capped.

The rich will end up living in London and having to do their own cleaning and 'low paid jobs'.

Do you really think that most London cleaners and people in low paid jobs own a car?

The fiver is what you’d need to save to replace a car with a cheap compliant one before October 2021. It’s not trivial but by comparison with the other costs of running a car it’s not enormous.

@MagnificentSevenHeaven -

Most people that work in London don't live in London.
The new charge will cover almost the whole of London, lots of people live and work in London. (Not saying I disagree with it)

Most people don't give a shiny shit about London!
Nearly 9 million people live in London; 13% of the UK population, so nearly 1/6.
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