To think this is ridiculous and will mostly affect the poor of London?

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www.standard.co.uk/news/london/new-emissions-zone-to-hit-drivers-with-1250-a-day-pollution-tax-a3858531.html

I understand he wants to reduce pollution but how is this going to help the hundreds of thousands of poor people who can't afford to buy a new car, pay the fee (£12.50 per day!) or pay the fine, especially after people were encouraged to buy diesel cars?

Great if you are rich and can easily buy a new car but there are loads of poor people in London who can't do this and rely on their old car for their jobs, taking kids to school, disabled getting about etc.

It's not very well thought through. I thought Labour was supposed to be the party to help the poor. Seems all this will do is help boost new car sales for big manufacturers whilst screwing a huge part of the electorate that voted for him !

The Middle Class of MN can afford to say "oh well guess i'll have to get a new car"...well most people cant afford a new car, they get by month to month and are one or two month's salary away from a food bank.
This will only benefit debt collectors, and will destroy local businesses even more than they are now.
Of course we would all like cleaner air, but people actually need to be able to financially survive.

Funny how it's all about the pollution when it's motorists, but he's quite happy to push that third runway for Heathrow.....

That is a very reasonable point.

So Londoners have free public transport for their dc, schools of their choosing and walkable to and great public transport that gets a family of 4 to work and school on time and affordable even when parents have to do the school run first.

No we dont. I live in South East London, Southeastern rail isnt free for children. Schools of your choosing is also not true- the mix in london of schools range more vastly from Outstanding to Require improvement to other parts of the country. My Public transport costs at £200 a month and they are far from reliable- hence why i was 20mins late for work today. Please visit us here in London and educate yourself

Yup trains and tubes (is it from 11?) aren’t free for children. Don’t forget they also shuttle around the zillion tourists every day too. We pay about £300 a month for travel (and I walk home anyway). Plus paying for a parking permit - and parking outside your permit area is bloody expensive.

And choice of schools, don’t make me laugh. A friend with 3 children had to scuttle between 2 schools and a nursery at one point because of lack of spaces. Great choice.

Many people in London live walking distance from schools.

And a lot dont. We were 40 mins by bus and train and the school next door had lots of kids taxied in (because of distance not mobility).

Well many people in the whole country live next to schools

My primary school was ten mins away but my secondary school was in the next village along.

The Middle Class of MN can afford to say "oh well guess i'll have to get a new car"...well most people cant afford a new car, they get by month to month and are one or two month's salary away from a food bank.
This will only benefit debt collectors, and will destroy local businesses even more than they are now.
Of course we would all like cleaner air, but people actually need to be able to financially survive.

Precisely. My business now has a very high chance of going under thanks to Sadiq, for reasons I've explained up thread. I can only hope that whoever stands against him in 2020 does so on a ticket of not bringing in this disastrous policy - and wins.

Alot of people choose to go to schools further away from their closest. Not everyone obviously, some have no choice in the matter, but alot do.

Sadiq doesn't want expansion of Heathrow due to pollution - he favours Gatwick if we have to (we shouldn't) expand

But you don't have to buy a new car? Even if you buy a used 10yo car for a few hundred quid you're still exempt from the charge.

My car is 10yo and I'll think about a new 'used' car will look like for me in 5 years time according to my budget.

It's a money making exercise, pure and simple.

It will push more people onto the already overcrowded trains.

It is most evidently not a money making exercise. It is an exercise in damage mitigation, pollution reduction and traffic reduction.

Have you read the consultation? Did you take part? Have you been part of the Mayoral Audit of schools in heavily polluted areas? Do you know how much money is being spent on measures to reduce pollution? Did you know that the early introduction of the inner ULEZ will make sure that 19 schools in central London and 42 schools within the ULEZ area will no longer be in areas exceeding legal limits for pollution? Even more schools will be helped by the expansion in 2021. Have you looked at the proposals for buses and taxis, and the exemptions and grace periods?

Honestly, I know quite a lot about this for various reasons and some of the responses on this thread absolutely baffle me. Are people really so short sighted? We need to change the way we live as it is not sustainable. I can really understand being pissed off because it will affect your finances, but I can't understand the depth of wilful ignorance that says it is just to make money. The money is a disincentive, not a purpose. Money that is made will be ploughed back into anti-pollution initiatives across London.

It's a money making exercise, pure and simple

I'm always happy to criticise Mayor Khan, but I don't know that even I can agree with this.

How else can we curb traffic in the centre of London? We should absolutely discourage it.

A lot of posters proving my point about how removed the majority of you are from reality.

used 10yo car for a few hundred quid this isn’t the 80s, how unreliable does this fictional car sound

affect your finances ...there are people who literally don’t have the money, it’s not a dent it their finances. Clueless!!!

Only I’ve just had a quick look on Autotrader and there are plenty of cars less than ten years old on there for between £500-1000.

I would imagine that they are as reliable/unreliable that the hypothetical ten year old non-compliant car you’d be trading in. Or you could spend a bit more and get a newer one, but if you are upgrading then obviously it will cost you

Bear in mind that running a car for three years is a big expense anyway - an additional cost of, say, 750 quid, spread over 3 years is not a huge additional percentage. And a relatively new diesel that’s still reliable will still be saleable to offset that. Of course there are people for whom an extra fiver a week would stretch their finances to breaking point, but very few of them drive cars in central London.

Even if you buy a used 10yo car for a few hundred quid you're still exempt from the charge.

It said on the news last night that petrol cars over 10 yrs old and deisel cars over 3 yrs old will have to pay.
In Birmingham they are bringing it in from Jan 2020 and said it will be the same criteria as London - when I put our cars in website it linked to, they will have to pay the charge to travel through or in to town. Even though we fell for the '£20 car tax as it is cleaner emissions' spiel when we bought what we consider to be our 'new' car.
We don't have the money to buy newer, and, over the next year I presume the bottom is going to fall out of the market for buying our cars off us.

Here's a solution. Get rid of your car

All petrol cars sold after 2005 will be compliant, and some older ones will also be exempt. Checker is here.
tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vrm-checker-ulez

BehemothPullsThePeasantsPlough it’s not about driving in “central London”- The new emission zone boundary is right up to with in 10mins or where I live by car in zone 3/4- I’d be charged to getting to Sainsbury’s

masterandmargarita and schlep my toddler to soft play using three buses in the cold. Just because I live in London doesn’t mean it’s simple to get everywhere I want to go. I’m not schleping my shopping and my 16month old on a bus constantly. These rules punish the everyday people who struggle to get by financially.

Will an extra fiver a week stretch your finances to breaking point though FoolsnMothers?