To think schools will close, rubbish will rot and bodies won't be buried

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‏Local authorities making emergency plans for March 29th onwards 2019 for Crash Out Brexit (Leaving without a deal)

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NEW: Extraordinary Kent County Council No Deal Brexit document detailing “Operation Fennel” next month to hold 10,000 HGVs “on a routine basis”

-administration GCSEs/SATS

• waste services “delayed and disrupted”
• “difficulties with transport of the deceased”

Looks like there's a serious possibility of 1000s of our kids having wasted years of education as GCSE and A level exams could be cancelled.

Who is going to deliver the correct exam papers to all these rural primary schools?

Who is going to deliver the correct exam papers to all these rural primary schools

Most exam scripts are now marked electronically - examiners don't receive bundles of scripts now. If the exam boards can co-ordinate hundreds of thousands of completed exam scripts electronically - they can email/fax the blank scripts to schools in Kent. Yolo's 'intrepid postie' is redundant.

Weird that people in Kent are saying there's a likely problem. But people who don't live there are certain there isn't . Who should I believe, I wonder

But you would say that - you have Irish citizenship - quite difficult to remain unbiased in your opinion.

Fax is redundant technology. What year are you living in?

Fax is redundant technology. What year are you living in

According to the contingency plan (state secondary school in Oxfordshire 2015/16) that I linked to - fax can be used as a backup: Awarding organisations to fax examination papers to centres if electronic transfer is not possible

Scaremongering drivel and anti-Brexit propaganda.

None of those things will happen.

It would be nice if MN put a stop to these threads clearly designed to induce panic in the weak-minded.

Why do the Joint Council for Qualifications and Exam Boards have fax numbers then?

www.jcq.org.uk/contact-us/contact-details-for-jcq-and-members

Most exam scripts are now marked electronically - examiners don't receive bundles of scripts now. If the exam boards can co-ordinate hundreds of thousands of completed exam scripts electronically - they can email/fax the blank scripts to schools in Kent.

I take it you don't work in a small primary school. Printing and copying all those exam scripts on our unreliable single printer and photocopier would not be possible!

Everything that puts brexit in a bad light is scaremongering.

Anything other than saying the sunlit uplands will be immegdiate is scare mongering.

Good of Whollyfather to attempt to silence debate.

I work in a print room with over 1200 pupils and trust me, there is absolutely no way that we'd be able to promptly print all the GCSEs within a few hours, even a day. We are talking hundreds of papers, with over 20 pages and we have two pretty good printers. Do get all the mock exams printed we need to schedule every subject on a specific day and it takes hours.

Don't forget that you will have all say, science exams, there are the basic exams, the advanced exams, the exam for those who are doing double science, and a different document for those on triple science. plus history, English, geography, and everything in between. It's a pretty big operation. Completely ignorant post to say that we could do this via a fax machine....

Scaremongering drivel and anti-Brexit propaganda.

Thankfully we have people more astute and experienced working in KCC. They are aware of what happened in 2015, and can extrapolate to what may happen in April 2019.

Oddly, I've yet to hear anything from the leave side as to what they would do in the case of a no-deal, apart from JRM smugly stating that in 50 years time, everything will be grand. Presumably that's because they are as inept and vapid as some posters on here.

Like bellini says, those of us who live in Kent are all too well aware of what gridlock does to this very rural county, why wouldn't you believe us? Maybe it's different in north Kent, but here in the wilds of the south east of the county we are fucked on a regular basis by operation stack - multiply that by whatever factor you like and we are still fucked.

I take it you don't work in a small primary school. Printing and copying all those exam scripts on our unreliable single printer and photocopier would not be possible

What do you mean - all those exam scripts? I wouldn't expect more than 10 to 20 pupils to turn up to each rural primary school on any one day - why would they travel miles out of their way to do that?

Private schools seem to be able to photocopy reams and reams of past papers and revision booklets on their photocopying machines. Most secondary schools in Kent have fairly small year groups compared to other local authorities (lots of single-sex grammar schools) - 1,200 pupils will not be taking exams on the same day - more like 120.

So 10-20 pupils would turn up at each primary school and the primary schools would be able to know which exam board each pupil was taking an exam from and the primary school would have sufficient staff and space to invigilate these exams, not to mention knowing the details of any SEN pupils and providing extra support they needed, all the while managing the primary school as usual.

It gives an insight into why some people believe in the Brexit unicorns.

Totally agree, Childrenofthesun. Sometimes when I read some of these comments I wonder if the people commenting have ever attempted to organise anything in their lives. Certainly with the politicians, especially the male ones, I suspect they've wafted through life delegating the work of actually working out how to make something happen to junior staff. Details matter.

*Scaremongering drivel and anti-Brexit propaganda.

None of those things will happen.

It would be nice if MN put a stop to these threads clearly designed to induce panic in the weak-minded*

Oh the irony of calling others weak-minded when using yet another trite cliche

Exam security is another factor, of course. Exams Officers in secondary schools are well versed in keeping everything secure until the day of the exam, which is really important given that there are cheats about who would pay good money to know what's going to come up. I wonder how exam boards could keep control of the content of papers if they were having to fax/email/jetpack exam packs here, there and everywhere and hoping that primary school staff with no experience of running public exams at secondary level will somehow sort the whole thing out.

And not just the papers. Exam Board sends a message to St Jude's Primary School to say 'Expect Christina Smith tomorrow to do a Geography A level paper'. Christina is totally unknown to the staff at St Jude's. On the day a young woman turns up with a passport saying she is Christina Smith. The photo is years out of date. The young woman might be Christina, she might not. We know some exam candidates pay others to take exams for them.

Thank goodness it looks like it's all going away for a bit.

So 10-20 pupils would turn up at each primary school

It could be only 2 pupils per primary school. The exam period runs over several months - one would hope that there would be a certain amount of forward planning as necessary. Grammar schools around London have so many pupils sitting the 11 plus that they have to stagger the exams - as long as pupils start an exam before outgoing pupils can reveal details of the exam that would be ok as well, if photocopying is a problem.

*Clavinova - I am curious. What job do you do in real life that entails no understanding whatsoever of logistics?

our local paper is a bit rubbish, but this does kind of explain the pressures Kent faces.

www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/eurotunnel-brexit-bombshell-194965/?fbclid=IwAR1LjXlX1GzliK9wb4h9oNNFRC1RNjMl_m8Q_Pjti8EmmP_sk4fOuy3UcCk

on the other hand, the comments are all a bit frothy so maybe not.

clavinova do you have any kind of experience to do with GCSE/A level exam papers, conditions under which students sit them, requirements for invigilators/security etc? Have your DC actually sat exams under these intense situations? Would you be happy for them to spend the night on a floor at a friend's house the night before their exams?

What happens to the UK after a no-deal Brexit is immaterial on a global scale.

Climate change will affect kill everyone eventually.

I'd rather the politicians got on with that than endlessly arguing over Brexit.

Middlingmum sure. We'll all get killed by some mega armagedon.

But for the next few years I'd like to be able to keep my right to stay in the UK, a country that has been my home for 23 years, keep my job and my house, and make sure that my children have plenty of opportunities.

The endless arguing is not finished. Whoever said during the campaign that it was going to be the easiest trade deal in history was lying. You still believe that crap?

Good of Whollyfather to attempt to silence debate.

Well it makes a change from the mansplaining, EUSSR, unelected Brussels bureaucrats and anti-German rhetoric we are usually gifted with.

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*Clavinova - I am curious. What job do you do in real life that entails no understanding whatsoever of logistics?

After your fax machine comment...what do you know?

I do know that thousands of dc all over the world sit entrance exams for UK private boarding schools at various nominated exam centres without any problems - often arranged at short notice.

Exam Board sends a message to St Jude's Primary School to say 'Expect Christina Smith tomorrow to do a Geography A level paper'. Christina is totally unknown to the staff at St Jude's. On the day a young woman turns up with a passport saying she is Christina Smith. The photo is years out of date

Unlikely, especially in Kent - although I think this has been a problem with a few ethnic minority pupils sitting the 11 plus around London in the past. It would have to be the same 'stand in' for every exam - or the primary school might be a little suspicious .

Would you be happy for them to spend the night on a floor at a friend's house the night before their exams

The majority of pupils would just walk/be driven to their nearest train station and catch a train to their usual secondary school of course.