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Would you send your child to special school in my circumstances?

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fragglerock1981 · 05/12/2018 23:54

My daughter aged 10 has been offered a place at a special school for moderate/complex difficulties and/or social/emotional issues. She has struggled to access the school curriculum ever since she was 5 and is about 2 years behind. She is in mainstream and is increasingly becoming more anxious about going to school because she thinks she is stupid. She has a diagnosis of Dyspraxia and they say she has complex learning difficulties. She has a lovely set of friends that she has had since reception. The school say that they are very protective of her and dd relies on them to complete her work. These friends are lovely but they are already starting to develop interests dd is not interested in and are spending more time away from her at playtime.

I'm just finding it so hard. If you saw dd you would not know she had any difficulties. She is articulate but will only talk about what she wants to talk about. She is so beautiful, I just cannot comprehend that she is not considered all this. The school have said she will not cope at all if she experiences any bullying. A couple of girls made fun of her on sports day, apologised after yet dd still refuses to kick a ball 6 months later.

DD wants to go to our local excellent secondary where all her friends are going. Do I give her a chance? It would destroy her of she was bullied. The special school say they think she would do well there but she will be one of the more able pupils. I'm sorry if my post offends anyone. I think I have been in denial for many years. I honestly wasn't expecting the special school to say yes.

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Feefeetrixabelle · 06/12/2018 07:24

Special schools are vital and should be more respected for the work they do. If you’ve been offered a place op then grab it with both hands. She will flourish.

I would look at signing her up for a local uniformed group or similar so she has a group of friends to her locally as well.

Sleepyblueocean · 06/12/2018 07:24

Have you looked around the school and seen children that she would fit in with? Have you checked that it will provide what she needs? Does she have a detailed ehcp in place? My child goes to special school but it wasn't the one we were initially offered but one that better met his needs.

PylonsPylonsPylons · 06/12/2018 07:37

Take the place!!!! Special school places are like gold dust, if she has been offered a place then it's because she needs it.
Many children manage in mainstream primary but secondary is much more of a challenge, particularly as school budget cuts have really impacted on SEN support.
I say this as someone who has a child in special school.

KOKOagainandagain · 06/12/2018 07:38

Have all ms secondaries (not just catchment) said they can't meet need during the selection process? DC with an EHCP don't apply in the normal way and go first so placement has to be finalised by February of year 6. Have the LA said they will name ss in Part I?

DS1 failed secondary transition and we still had to go to Tribunal before the LA would fund ss and he was out of school most of year 7. The school offering the place was the easy part!

zzzzz · 06/12/2018 07:40

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Sirzy · 06/12/2018 07:42

None of us can really say, way too many variables.

You need to look around all the local schools, special school and mainstream, talk to the senco and other key staff and rjen decide which is the best fit for your Daughter.

Ds will likely need specialist for secondary, at the moment it doesn’t look like any of the mainstream locally could come close to meeting his needs. However finding a specialist school which can meet his needs isn’t proving much easier as like many children he falls into some sort of wasteland between the two!

CitrusFruit9 · 06/12/2018 07:45

I took this decision too a few years back and in the face of opposition from my DS (absent) father who did not want his DS going to a special school.

TBH it was one of the best decisions I have ever made. The atmosphere at the special school my DS went to was superb, the classes were small so the teachers knew every pupil well and assisted them to achieve their maximum. My DS obtained 5 GCSEs and 3 A levels and I have no doubt he would have left mainstream school with nothing.

The most telling thing for me was that he went for a trial day and I picked him up with some trepidation as he hated mainstream school and asked him how it went. Instead of being frazzled as usual he seemed very calm and he said to me thoughtfully "they understand me there".

Personally I'd take the place.

ClaireElizabethBeauchampFraser · 06/12/2018 07:46

As an autistic adult who was bullied horrendously throughout high school (physically and verbally/ emotionally), I would say go for the SS place. I had so many friends in primary, many of whom just disappeared when the bullies appeared. I don’t blame them, they were just kids too! School was a very lonely place and the psychological stress had a huge impact on my physical health.

My ds is autistic and very vulnerable to bullying, he was not suited for our local SS which is mainly for lower functioning children and he is incredibly intelligent and loves to learn. Mainstream school does not work for him, we have home educated for the last four years and he is flourishing. We are currently looking into the possibility of funding for our son to be online schooled for his secondary years. He would be at home and his teacher/s would be online and teach a group of students from all over the world, he can communicate with his teacher and other classmates. He can also sit exams arranged at a local private school.

However, if we don’t get funding for that we will continue as we are. Our ds physically shuts down when around other children in a small rural school. As in collapsing and being unresponsive, eyes open but vacant for up to half an hour at a time. He then needs to sleep off the massive headache that follows for several hours! He would be eaten alive in our local Secondary schools!

I take the view that education is a lifelong undertaking, our early years (especially our teens) are so important, so formative that they can have long lasting implications on a child’s mental health, including future relationships. Mental health is so, so crucial! Your dd’s teachers are telling you that she will mentally not cope in mainstream high school. If you know there is any truth to this, then please consider the SS or an alternative. As your dd approaches her teens, her social weaknesses will become more apparent (I actually think it sounds like she may also be on the autistic spectrum this link may be helpful if she is), the bullies will spot her a mile away just as they did with me.

Your dd can go to college and university all in her own time. But if she is relentlessly bullied, it could have a lifelong effect on her mental health, triggering extremely low self esteem, ever increased anxiety, depression and self harming and the domino effect could go on and on.

Take your dd to view the new school. It will be something she will initially rebel against, as change is so, so hard! But with the right support the transition can be so much easier. In secondary, your dd will likely be placed in the lowest sets, which unfortunately means she will be with the children most likely to bully her (things only eased for me when the bullies were placed in lower sets and I went into the higher sets, which made class time more tolerable but break and lunch were still hell) her lovely friends, will be on self protection mode. It’s cruel but unfortunately it’s what happens in schools every day.

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BarbarianMum · 06/12/2018 07:51

Secondary school is no place for a child whose confidence can be shattered by one harsh comment. And I think 2 years is a lot to be behind, it would make accessing the content of many subjects - humanities, science -difficult. How is she at things like art and tech and drama? Would these offer areas of the curriculum where she could be "not the bottom" of the class?

Lougle · 06/12/2018 07:55

Children don't get offered places in Special Schools unless their needs are such that they can be met there. There will always be far more children that need a place, than there will be places. There will always be parents who are told "No" and are disappointed and have to make do with Mainstream with support. That isn't to say that Mainstream with support isn't that best option for some or many children, but for a child who needs a Special School, it's making do.

If your child has been offered Special School, you need to be absolutely sure it isn't right before you turn it down.

DD1 is at Special Secondary, in year 8. She has an independence there that she would never be able to have in Mainstream:
-The site is secure, and there is CCTV, so she doesn't need to be watched closely to keep her safe.
-The classes are small, and work can be individualised, so she doesn't need a 1:1 TA.
-She is with similar ability peers, so she doesn't feel 'different'.
-The behaviour policy is tailored and realistic for children with SN. The teachers have proper training in de-escalation. They know how to reward good behaviour systematically.

It's really worth thinking about your child and what she needs.

yomellamoHelly · 06/12/2018 07:55

She won't get the support she needs in mainstream. Loads of cuts going on at the moment making it impossible even with the best will in the world. I'd send her to special school.
Chances are she might be okay in years 7 and 8, but she'll bottom out in year 9 if she hasn't before and from that point on her anxiety will rocket.

PadawanCat · 06/12/2018 07:57

I was told it is easier to move from MS to SS than the other way around.
It’s completely the opposite in a lot of LEAs. Too many children are being homeschooled because there just aren’t specialist places available. (Nothing wrong with homeschooling if that’s your choice, but there is if parents are forced into it because there are no specialist places available.)

Balaboosteh · 06/12/2018 08:00

I think you have a slight problem with the people around you telling you this would be “limiting”. The only person who fully understands your child’s difficulties is you. “Limiting” will be your DD not getting the support she needs and crashing, getting bullied, becoming school refuser etc. which is on the cards for her in mainstream. I would play it safe here and go for the special school. I know how hard a decision this is, but it’s great you have a choice. Good luck x

Broken11Girl · 06/12/2018 08:00

I think I would go with the special school in your position.
A lot of DC with SN cope in primary school but struggle in secondary. Her friends are already withdrawing, it's possible on going to secondary they would completely turn on her to be 'cool' in front of new friends Sad
She sounds adorable. I think she'd do really well being among the most able in SS rather than the least in mainstream, and might enjoy helping look after less able classmates.

Howdoyoudoit31 · 06/12/2018 08:02

Take the SS place.

In a years time all her friends will of found other people to hang around with and be in to other stuff.

dippledorus · 06/12/2018 08:05

I would send her to the SS.

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GrumpyOldMare · 06/12/2018 08:06

I did.
My lad (now 22yrs old) went to a Special Needs school,it was the best thing I could've done for him at the time.It was down in South Somerset,the staff were amazing and the atmosphere was one of loving,firm kindness. I cried when he left as we both built up such a rapport and close relationship with the staff.His confidence and abilities came on in leaps and bounds.

LegoAdventCalendar · 06/12/2018 08:07

It really depends on your LA. Our son has 'only' high-functioning autism, that's it, no other conditions. MS wasn't for him, but SS in our LA definitely was not as it catered to children with multiple conditions and/or low functioning.

My ds is autistic and very vulnerable to bullying, he was not suited for our local SS which is mainly for lower functioning children and he is incredibly intelligent and loves to learn. Mainstream school does not work for him, we have home educated for the last four years and he is flourishing. We are currently looking into the possibility of funding for our son to be online schooled for his secondary years. He would be at home and his teacher/s would be online and teach a group of students from all over the world, he can communicate with his teacher and other classmates. He can also sit exams arranged at a local private school.

This is what we did. Worked wonderfully for him!

It really depends on the child and the LA, but there was no way I was sending my son to the SS in our LA because in ours it was all about basically babysitting them until they could be released, there was no expectation of quality of education for them at all.

Broken11Girl · 06/12/2018 08:08

Also, 2y behind isn't catastrophic and she could well scrape a few GCSEs...should in fact, and it will be more likely in SS with smaller classes and more individual attention rather than getting lost. They will have much more social and emotional stuff too. She sounds a bit naive and emotionally vulnerable. And lovely. I really hope whichever you decide that she thrives Flowers

BerriTerri · 06/12/2018 08:08

You need to look at the SS, look with your daughter and look at outcomes.

None of my local SS would be suitable for your dd, places are for pupils operating pre NC levels by yr 5 mostly. They have zero results for yr 11 and it’s just about social skills in reality. She’d make no further academic progress and probably be bored. It’s simply a combination of there being very few spaces and our authority selling more spaces to other boroughs than they use themselves, meaning only those with the highest needs go to special schools

In other areas though there may be suitable schools. Needing SS and the right one being available are two different things.

Check out your local high school, ours has groups of children operating below your daughter and are set up for them. Again, other schools are not so.

BerriTerri · 06/12/2018 08:10

Btw I home educate a child with similar needs due to lack of school spaces here. My girl is autistic with mild LD and the SS is at best babysitting, at worst setting them until 18 in a closed environment with no realistic planning for post 18.

cheminotte · 06/12/2018 08:14

This is such a difficult decision.
My DS is 8 and in a similar situation- about 2-3 years behind academically, currently in mainstream with full time 1:1 support, and I’m not sure if that’s enough in the long term.
Have you watched School (on iPlayer)? Episode 3 or 4 is about SEN provision and is heartbreaking.
Have you got an EHCP? If not I’d start the process for getting one. But to answer your original question, I would go for the specialist school if it’s going to boost her self esteem as that is one of the most important things.

averythinline · 06/12/2018 08:19

go and have a look at the Special school - check that she will have the opportunity to study at certain levels - if she is 2yrs behind - she will be bottom set for everything at a mainstream school and that can be soul destroying and also may contain the worst behaved children as well...

her friends help her finish her work now - the chances are they will be in different classes...could she do an activity with them out of school or stay in touch with them otherways...?

my dyspraxic ds found the whole noise and having to move around every lesson to rooms that all look the same and being with different teachers and children for every lesson really stressful and we ended up moving him..

can you get a tour round the mainstream secondary during the day and try and imagine her there..

re the special school - they vary immensely - depending on their focus and also the cohort each year but usually teh classes are massively smaller, the resources are better - they are nearly always run by the LA not private so not sure what user is saying before about being run for profit... go and have a look there during a normal day - not a tour- ask if tehy have any parents you can talk to?

it can be hard decision and realisation that your childs not going with everyone else , and special schools often have a poor image with those that know nothing about them....

in my area there are a couple of mainstream schools with centres where they mix and match where they go - but again wont be at teh same school as her friends...

it is much much harder to get a place at a special school ...

Jazjoke · 06/12/2018 08:23

Five even three years ago, I would have said try Mainstream with lots of good planning and transition in place.

Now and moving forward ( in terms of cuts) I would very definitely say Special

I know and work in both, and have done so for over 25 yrs ( and still do)

The cuts are hitting schools this year and the projected figures are horrendous- even if you have the best intentions, if you don't have the resources, you can't deliver

If you have the option of Special I would take it - in the next 2 yrs there will be a rush of requests for Special when families realise the provision they are getting in Mainstream

Sadly we can't compare experiences from even 3 yrs ago to now, as times are very different

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