To find the idea of uterus donation and having the babies of a dead woman wrong and sick?

[SummerGems]

In general I am a supporter of organ donation. I do believe it’s a personal thing but for me the idea of donating the majority of my organs has never presented a problem. Until today.

Apparently a woman has given birth after receiving the donated uterus of a dead woman. Moreover, the babies she gave birth to were from the woman’s ovaries and eggs which were fertilised subsequent to her death.

Now, I am fully aware that people are going to say that it’s wonderful, that you can’t possibly know until you’ve been through fertility issues etc etc etc. But I personally think this is a step too far.

Obviously the people in question had choices and so on, but really, just because something can be done,doesn’t mean that it should. Are we really to believe that those children will be comfortable with the idea that they were conceived of a dead woman’s ovaries? That it’s right to create children where there is no biological parent just because someone has infertility? Not to mention the fact that according to the news reports all previous donations have resulted in miscarriages?

If uterus donation were to become a mainstream accepted thing I would be ticking the box to say that I didn’t consent. And if it were all or nothing I would refuse to be any kind of organ donor if it meant my uterus and/or my eggs would be donated.

I didn’t say you were undeserving of an organ, I said the opposite - no need to get your knickers in a twist. And I also didn’t say a life saving organ. I do wish you’d have read rather than projected based on your own insecurities.
For someone who said they don’t need to justify their choice, I do wonder why you keep trying so hard to justify it.

Yet more gaslighting.

For whats its worth perfect i read earlys post in a similar way

Thanks rufus glad it wasn’t just me!

Its the whole...i didnt SAY lifesaving

@ rufus

Yeah, silly me... I clearly just ‘read’ (or not) it wrong.

I don’t agree with uterus transplants. I would certainly tick the opt out box for that, as would I “tissue”. That is my choice. I wouldn’t accept either donations either. I will donate what I would accept.

If wanting to create a child is selfish, imagine a world where no woman (or man) wanted to have babies.
Reproduction is much more than an individual need.

And how is it more selfish to want to have a baby than to spend a lifetime drinking or smoking and then needing an organ to stay alive?
What if your heart goes to a murderer?

If wanting to create a child is selfish, imagine a world where no woman (or man) wanted to have babies.
Reproduction is much more than an individual need

There is no shortage of people. The selfish part is the assumption that other women should be expected to donate body parts

I couldn't give a shit if someone takes and uses my uterus and eggs after I am dead - I can't use them but as far as I know they are fully functional.

In fact if I could have major surgery (i can't), someone would be welcome to my repro bits right now, I certainly don't want 'em!

There is no shortage of people. The selfish part is the assumption that other women should be expected to donate body parts

The exact same argument applies to people who are dying.
Even more so to those who caused their illness.

But it still stands that our population needs to reproduce, so the instinct to reproduce is not selfish.

Btw, while there's currently no shortage of people, if we stopped being "selfish", humanity would end in less than 80 years.
Western societies are already having problems with population replacement.
We need the younger generations to keep us in our old age. People without children depend on those who can and invest in children.

And I don't think any woman who needs a transplanted womb to have children will be anything but grateful towards the donor. Like any other transplant recipient.
And no more expectation than for other transplant recipient.
In fact, less selfish than asking for donated eggs or surrogacy.

I mean, donate or don't donate. It's up to you.
But I think it's really unfair to call selfish a woman who can't have children like most women but wants children.
It's something that a normal body should be able to. It's even more vital biologically than simply surviving.

I would be ok with someone getting my uterus of it can bring happiness to someone after I'm gone, but not my eggs, that's my DNA and my babies, I wouldn't want a child of mine raised by someone I didn't know. I know some people donate eggs, I just couldn't.

As someone with uterine infertility who can't carry a child (but not AUTI as I do have a uterus, it's just crap and doesn't work!) if I were to be in hypothetical position to be a uterine transplant recipient, the idea that a womb could have been taken from a deceased woman without their consent fills me with abject horror

Those who would donate - that is a wonderful gift that has the power to transform many many lives, and any recipient would thank you for such a precious gift. But a gift must be willingly given and not taken.

If I was in that hypothetical position then I would want to be able to tell our hypothetical child their story - that they were here in this world thanks to one very very special woman who had given an incredible gift, because they - and a whole team of clever Drs and nurses and scientists - wanted them to be a part of our family so very very much, that they made it possible for you to be born.

I wouldn't criticise any organ donor who didn't want to donate their uterus - and I certainly don't agree with pressuring or forcing anyone to do so. I do feel very strongly that organ donation in general is the decent thing to do, but can entirely understand why someone might be happy to donate a kidney or liver but not a uterus

And ova isn't even a possibility because harvesting ovaries from the deceased simply doesn't make any sense because they'd be useless.

Egg donation is an incredible gift but there's a reason that implications counselling is mandatory in the UK, and donor anonymity was lifted - it's not something that should be undertaken lightly, it isn't for everyone and that's fine. But those who do - you are doing something incredibly wonderful and will truly change so many lives.

But donation is not an obligation and should not be treated as such. I say this as an infertile person for whom not being able to have children has been a life changing and life defining situation.

And not wishing to derail the thread, good luck StarringRole for your donation cycle. I hope that you have good support around you and that your clinic give you the best quality clinical and emotional care. Decent clinics will have an open door policy with fertility counsellors (I don't know about organisations like Altrui or similar but I hope that they do too and take care of all donors)

You are doing an incredible thing. Having done 4 egg collections as part of my IVF treatment if you have any questions about the process please do PM. Wishing you the very best of luck.