To find the idea of uterus donation and having the babies of a dead woman wrong and sick?

[SummerGems]

In general I am a supporter of organ donation. I do believe it’s a personal thing but for me the idea of donating the majority of my organs has never presented a problem. Until today.

Apparently a woman has given birth after receiving the donated uterus of a dead woman. Moreover, the babies she gave birth to were from the woman’s ovaries and eggs which were fertilised subsequent to her death.

Now, I am fully aware that people are going to say that it’s wonderful, that you can’t possibly know until you’ve been through fertility issues etc etc etc. But I personally think this is a step too far.

Obviously the people in question had choices and so on, but really, just because something can be done,doesn’t mean that it should. Are we really to believe that those children will be comfortable with the idea that they were conceived of a dead woman’s ovaries? That it’s right to create children where there is no biological parent just because someone has infertility? Not to mention the fact that according to the news reports all previous donations have resulted in miscarriages?

If uterus donation were to become a mainstream accepted thing I would be ticking the box to say that I didn’t consent. And if it were all or nothing I would refuse to be any kind of organ donor if it meant my uterus and/or my eggs would be donated.

I would judge someone for not donating organs the same way I would for not vaccinating their children. It’s irresponsible, and the typical ‘I’m alright, jack’ attitude that so many people seem to have these days

Not being able to have a child is not life threatening. It might be very sad, but lots of things in life are very sad. It is appalling that you think women should be shamed into handing over ova and wombs just because someone wants a baby.

Ova isn’t an organ.
Not everything is an attack on woman, I don’t think woman ‘should be shamed’ I think all people should feel a moral responsibility and have a bit of logic to know that once they die, their organs aren’t much use.

The thread was clearly referring to ova and wombs so there is no need for the shocked face. Do you think ova should be harvested as well ?

As far as I'm concerned a child grown in my womb has a link to me and I have the right to decide how my womb is used and if I want my womb to bring another child into the world. If I don't want it to be used to create a child that is my choice.

Your comments about moral obligations and comparing it to non vaccination serve no purpose other than try to shame anyone who disagrees. Infertility is sad , but no one dies from it. There is no comparison with non-vaccination.

I don't feel any responsibility to uncritically hand over my body. Those parts I do donate are a gift.

I won't be handing over my uterus to a transwomen in order to affirm a gender identity, for instance. So, if that becomes a thing and because given that you cannot chose who gets your bits and pieces, from that point on my uterus is off the table.

The OP is mistaken then as there was no harvesting of Ova. Egg donation is a thing with living woman. If you are on the organ donation list this does not include ova.
If you don’t want any children to have a link to you, would you also deny that a child should receive your heart/liver/eyes? That would have a far greater link to you than one whose mother had a transplant.

Oh what a surprise it’s come back to transwoman. Fuck woman, let’s just ignore all the infertile woman in the world Incase one transwoman dares try and get my bits.

You can rage as much as you wish, of course. It just won't change my mind.

Why are people only willing to donate if it would save a life. That's so weird I don't understand it. What about corneas, is saving sight good enough?

Why do you care so much anyway, you'll be dead and won't need any of it. I can maybe understand slightly the eggs part as that is effectively your biological child but why not the uterus. You would want to think about donating eggs I expect as much as a man would have to think about sperm donation. Why not give your uterus though. Why would you not want to give a woman who is desperate to have children the chance to have one.

Oh what a surprise it’s come back to transwoman. Fuck woman, let’s just ignore all the infertile woman in the world Incase one transwoman dares try and get my bits

My objection has nothing to do with trans women.

Why are people only willing to donate if it would save a life. That's so weird I don't understand it. What about corneas, is saving sight good enough?

I would be happy for corneas to be used. I don't consider not being able to have a child the same as being blind.

I have said repeatedly anything involving fertility treatment for me would mean the creation of a child linked to me. I include the use of my womb in that. I am not happy at the thought of a child being created for someone else using my body.

If you don’t want any children to have a link to you, would you also deny that a child should receive your heart/liver/eyes? That would have a far greater link to you than one whose mother had a transplant

I have said I have no objection to any of these. They are helping a person who already exists- not creating a baby to satisfy, to put it bluntly, the selfish needs of an adult. Infertility may well be very sad, many things in life are. Not all have to be alleviated by making demands of others.

The technology exists to grow foetuses in plastic bags. They have managed to grow a lamb to term in this way. This would offer an alternative to needing a womb from a deceased donor.

Wow. The gas lighting on this thread has reached epic proportions. I agree with lass, stop focusing on the bloody corneas, obviously they are not life saving, but the lack of them prevent someone from not being able to live a full life without a severe handicap and are therefore a barrier to life in my opinion. Infertility is horrid and unfair, but it’s just not the same. If you want to donate your uterus and or eggs (should that become viable) then all power to your ‘altruistic’ elbow. But fuck anyone who thinks they have the right to emotionally blackmail me or any other women into doing the same. And of course this is a WOMAN issue. Jesus, how could it not be?

Ah so it’s come to this
The trans want to steal our wombs 😬😐

Frankly, some of the attitudes on this thread are just terrifying and flagrantly piss on my right to bodily autonomy at all costs. The ‘right’ to have children, does not trump my right to object to my reproductive organs being used to create one, and I do not have to explain myself or apologise/be judged for refusing or disputing it!

Dont be a goady twat stop that’s not what this thread is about, but even if it was, so what? I dont want anyone to have my reproductive organs, male or female. That is my CHOICE.

No, not necessarily. That's just my preference. But people have the right to gift whichever organs that they feel happy to. Even a dead body deserves dignity and that must encompass the owners wishes. Although no doubt some posters here would say they'd happily let someone fashion a hat out of their lungs to prove a point.

The technology exists to grow foetuses in plastic bags. They have managed to grow a lamb to term in this way. This would offer an alternative to needing a womb from a deceased donor.

Do you really want to add to plastic waste?

Although no doubt some posters here would say they'd happily let someone fashion a hat out of their lungs to prove a point.

As funny as this is, I strongly suspect you may be right...the preverbial ‘hair shirt’ just to show their spirit of generosity.

Giving up organs to those in need that would otherwise be burnt or six feet under is not showing ‘generosity’ it’s common sense.

So what if they burn my reproductive organs? Who are you to tell me they are not mine to burn?

I do not want a baby that is not my own child, born from my Uterus. End of. That’s not common sense or lack of, it’s my choice. And I do not have to justify it.

That’s your choice and you have the right to your choice. I have the right to judge you for your choice.
I just find it a bit incomprehensible that you would rather see your organs as ash than given to someone struggling and who would give anything to have it. It is essentially an incubator, it is not the egg or sperm that physically makes the baby or connects the child to you. It is a tool for keeping a fetus alive. Much like a pregnant womans heart must keep beating.
I hope that if you are ever in need of an organ transplant, someone with the potential to help doesn’t have an identity crisis over their beloved organs joining them in the oven.

“I hope that if you are ever in need of an organ transplant, someone with the potential to help doesn’t have an identity crisis over their beloved organs joining them in the oven.”

Twat.

Get the fuck off your high horse. I am talking about my uterus and you have just told me that I would be undeserving of a life saving organ (which I have never said I wouldnt donate) because I dont want to share my ‘incubator’ for fertility purposes.

And do you know what? I wouldn’t want ANY organ that someone didn’t want to give. So yeah, if they burn with the host and don’t save me? Well, heck... that’s life, and that’s their fucking perogative.

stopfuckingshoutingatme
Ah so it’s come to this
The trans want to steal our wombs

My objection has nothing to do with trans issues.

No EarlyWalker alive or dead I'm not just an incubator to be used to satisfy the selfish needs of another woman to have a baby. All the other examples are to help a person already in existence- not to create a baby to keep someone happy.

Well said Lass