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To find the idea of uterus donation and having the babies of a dead woman wrong and sick?

365 replies

SummerGems · 05/12/2018 09:39

In general I am a supporter of organ donation. I do believe it’s a personal thing but for me the idea of donating the majority of my organs has never presented a problem. Until today.

Apparently a woman has given birth after receiving the donated uterus of a dead woman. Moreover, the babies she gave birth to were from the woman’s ovaries and eggs which were fertilised subsequent to her death.

Now, I am fully aware that people are going to say that it’s wonderful, that you can’t possibly know until you’ve been through fertility issues etc etc etc. But I personally think this is a step too far.

Obviously the people in question had choices and so on, but really, just because something can be done,doesn’t mean that it should. Are we really to believe that those children will be comfortable with the idea that they were conceived of a dead woman’s ovaries? That it’s right to create children where there is no biological parent just because someone has infertility? Not to mention the fact that according to the news reports all previous donations have resulted in miscarriages?

If uterus donation were to become a mainstream accepted thing I would be ticking the box to say that I didn’t consent. And if it were all or nothing I would refuse to be any kind of organ donor if it meant my uterus and/or my eggs would be donated.

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Lweji · 05/12/2018 17:58

What IS the point of mindlessly producing more humans?

I don't know. What is the point of mindlessly live to 80 or 90?

It's not a reduction to biology. Our lives are run by biology, like it or not. Down to the partners we choose in life, our body shapes, and so on.

I think it's an interesting discussion to be had.

Why does it matter so much to prolong a life, particularly of people who have ruined their own bodies, but not to create a new fresh life?
Is it, as proposed by a pp, a "frivolity"?

Lweji · 05/12/2018 18:01

Reproduction isn't just an instinct.
It's the most basic and essential instinct.
Everything our body does is with the aim of reproducing in the end.

Reducing to biology would be to say that the lives of people who can't or wont' have children don't matter. That is, of course, wrong.

But, saying that it's frivolous to want to have children is also wrong. Very wrong.

user1499173618 · 05/12/2018 18:05

I think the most basic instinct is to have sex. The baby is just a by product.

LucieMorningstar · 05/12/2018 18:08

I heard about this on my local radio earlier. The guy said “the uterus came from a dead person”. Almost like he wasn’t sure if it had come from a man or a woman Hmm

OnlineAlienator · 05/12/2018 18:17

Biology decides a lot, like which of us are infertile. Why are we overriding it then?

JacquesHammer · 05/12/2018 18:19

Biology decides a lot, like which of us are infertile. Why are we overriding it then?

Surely we could say that about a number of things?

BruegelTheEIder · 05/12/2018 18:20

God OnlineAlienator, I hope you've never taken medicine in your life!

OnlineAlienator · 05/12/2018 18:23

Think you have me twisted; my point was that life is more than biology.

YetAnotherUser · 05/12/2018 18:23

Almost like he wasn’t sure if it had come from a man or a woman

The dead person might have identified as a man? Grin

chillpizza · 05/12/2018 18:25

Can I identify as alive when I’m dead? Genuine question Grin

Pebblespony · 05/12/2018 18:31

Life is not more than biology. When it boils down to it are you more alive than a fly. And what do they have that is more than biology.

Pebblespony · 05/12/2018 18:31

*not more alive.

ClaryFray · 05/12/2018 18:35

When you go through infertility you'll see it, a different way. I wouldn't want another women to suffer what I have. So if I could, and mine worked I would donate it after death. Maybe even before, if it were possible.

Like abortion, of you don't agree with it and don't want to do it. Dont. But you don't get to dictate to others they can't either. Sorry to break it to you, your not that important to belittle other women for thier life choices.

OnlineAlienator · 05/12/2018 18:36

Right, so if biology is the final word and reproduction is the be all and end all, why do we override it by flouting its decisions on who's infertile?

Lweji · 05/12/2018 18:43

I think the most basic instinct is to have sex. The baby is just a by product.

Why do you think the drive to have sex is so strong?

Babies are not "just a by product".

zzzzz · 05/12/2018 18:44

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Lweji · 05/12/2018 18:45

Can I identify as alive when I’m dead?

That made me chuckle twice in public. Grin

Only if you're a zombie or a ghost.

OnlineAlienator · 05/12/2018 18:46

Human sex does not always result in babies, we are one of the few animals to have sex when not fertile.

Sparklesocks · 05/12/2018 18:47

I won’t need my organs when I’m dead, if they can bring something to another living person then I’m all for it.

Lweji · 05/12/2018 18:48

Right, so if biology is the final word and reproduction is the be all and end all, why do we override it by flouting its decisions on who's infertile?

Few people decide not to have children at all.
And the lengths people go to to have children when they can't show how strong the instinct is.

OnlineAlienator · 05/12/2018 18:50

Still not following the logic, seems like actually, we pick and choose when we obey biology.

Lweji · 05/12/2018 18:52

Human sex does not always result in babies, we are one of the few animals to have sex when not fertile.

And the fertile period is hidden.
But the vast majority of human couples ends up having children and raising them (it takes two) and it's been show that sex with a casual partner is more likely to result in a pregnancy, IIRC.

But, bringing it back to point, why is survival more worthy than reproduction?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 05/12/2018 18:54

It’s ok to have a reaction to this
But calling it wrong and sick makes you sound bigoted - it’s not an intelligent use of language . I am not a grammar snob but the terms you used took me aback

Lweji · 05/12/2018 18:55

seems like actually, we pick and choose when we obey biology.

Yes.
But some pps claim that enabling survival of an older human is worthy of a transplant while reproduction is frivolous or optional, when it's not at all. It's at the centre of life.

OnlineAlienator · 05/12/2018 18:59

Its optional because it doesnt aid survival.