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AIBU to be terrified by what David Attenborough has said?

416 replies

ArcheryAnnie · 04/12/2018 00:16

He's just said about climate change ""if we don't take action, the collapse of our civilisations and the extinction of much of the natural world is on the horizon." He's not the only one saying this - it's now common currency amongst scientists, and indeed anyone paying attention.

www.theage.com.au/world/europe/civilisation-may-collapse-if-climate-change-ignored-attenborough-20181204-p50jzs.html?platform=hootsuite

There's no time left for pissing about. We've got to take radical action now. It isn't something that any of us can ignore.

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Urbanbeetler · 04/12/2018 06:28

Or a medicine resistant virus.

iLevictoiChete · 04/12/2018 06:29

If intelligent, caring and compassionate people decide not to have kids (as a few ppl on this thread have said) then the next generation will be full of stupid selfish people who will hasten this destruction and make it more inevitable. Surely we need to be having children (in limited numbers) and bringing them up to be intelligent, caring and compassionate

OnTrain · 04/12/2018 06:33

I like the ides of that film downsizing. Someone needs to invent a shrinkray.

BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 04/12/2018 06:37

It seems like an impossible issue to overcome, when China is polluting the earth at such high levels www.boredpanda.com/award-winning-chinese-photographer-vanished-lu-guang-china-xinjiang/

Everyone in the west would have to agree to immediately stop buying their products - economic sanctions, ending trade agreements,, etc. And how likely is that? The problem is government level; individuals have little to no influence on the situation.

By all means continue to recycle and do your bit, but we need to out pressure on politicians to affect global change on our behalf. I'm too cynical to believe this will happen, however. :/

Baking101 · 04/12/2018 06:38

Maybe it will be a virus. Anti vaxxers could be mother nature's way of eliminating us.

I'm good with a gun though so if it was a zombie situation I might survive that. Not an ice age though.

thecatsabsentcojones · 04/12/2018 06:46

As other people have said it's at government level, and we just happen to be voting in the worst morons right now who literally just care about short term money gain. So I think we're pretty fucked, but am not about to start worrying about it because I'm too much in the minority - I'm powerless in this, there are too many people out there who don't know and really don't want to understand, they're not going to change their habits or stop voting for morons. So if we're all fucked I certainly won't be wasting that time left in a state of anxiety.

However, hoping there will be a sea change soon, there needs to be.

MsTSwift · 04/12/2018 06:47

Our whole economic system is based on producing and consuming stuff so that needs to change

Crispmonster1 · 04/12/2018 06:52

We are doomed. Our species is done. Increase in allergies and cancers. Our bodies are trying internally to kill us off. The more cancers we treat the more we get. Our future is only being confirmed further by the way we treat the planet. No wonder it wants us off it.

Urbanbeetler · 04/12/2018 06:57

I think it will be a massively quick developing virus which will be out of control long before a vaccination can be developed. And if this does happen (it is speculation only) it will lead to most fatalities in the weaker sectors of the world - the overcrowded places, the old and the very young, the immuno-compromised and those in urban areas. Perhaps the ones left with work at getting it right with a second chance. I don’t believe we will be wiped out totally as a species.

brizzledrizzle · 04/12/2018 07:06

The end you want to fight is the beginning and stop the production of such items

Quite. The reduce bit of the three Rs has been forgotten.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 04/12/2018 07:08

I think you're right, OP. All of us, individually and collectively, need to start changing the way we treat the planet. But that isn't going to happen. People are too addicted to their mobile phones and cars and foreign holidays and plastic tat.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 04/12/2018 07:09

It's scary.

We can do something though, each and every of us.

Drive less, don't book long haul holidays. Write to your MP about the current plans to expand airports.
Plant trees, write to your council to plant more. I keep reading threads here about trees being cut because they are messy or block some light and I keep thinking how shortsighted.
Avoid palm oil.

Avoid plastic.

Put the pressure on with letters and petitions.

bumblingbovine49 · 04/12/2018 07:09

I often wonder about this in the context.of space travel and the whole is there life on other planets question.

I have come to the (very unscientific) conclusion that there probably are millions/billions of other planets with intelligent life on them but the life all dies.out before they have enough technology to make interstellar contact.

I think the process of development needed to get the technology requiired probably destroys them all before they can get off their planet.

I think the ones that have a very very long successful life on planets have not gone that route and they all live sustainable liveds within their environment..

The earth had had humans on it for a long time, not in the context of the life of the earth I know , but a long time in the comtext of.our life spans . We are definitely coming to the end of this era for humans anyway.
I find it terrifying for my DS and DNs mostly but have no idea how we can change.

MynameisJune · 04/12/2018 07:09

It’s terrifying but I agree with those on the thread that says change must come at a huge government/world leader level. And it just won’t happen.

Recycling, not eating meat, walking rather than cars or using an electric car make people feel they’re doing something in what is largely a situation that we have no control over.

We’ve built our society on buying useless shit, just look at the popularity of stores such as Poundland/B&M etc. Plastic tat that goes to landfill almost immediately. Until we solve consumerism we won’t solve most of the issues. And we won’t solve consumerism because it makes too much money for a small few.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 04/12/2018 07:10

We live artificially long lives and consume way more than we're meant to over the course of one lifetime.

That is a very good point.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 04/12/2018 07:10

See what happened in France though, tax fuel was raised for environmental issues and now there are riots.

So yes, it's scary.

Dashel · 04/12/2018 07:11

I agree that it’s better to cut the waste at source than to spend energy recycling so on that thought maybe people should put together some idea s for cutting waste earlier?

Not having pets - particularly carnivores
Not reading hard copy magazines and newspapers
Buying less clothes, home goods, electrics
Grow your own food and cut down on food waste and meat
Plan your journeys better, carshare,

None of that stops us campaigning for change as well

grumiosmum · 04/12/2018 07:12

Get involved in politics.
Reduce your meat & dairy consumption.
Think very carefully about how & where you choose to spend/invest your money.

Those are the 3 main things people as individuals can do to make a difference.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 04/12/2018 07:16

Not having pets and not having many children.

As for hard copies of books and magazines, then there are still better than computers and tablets.

Nousernameforme · 04/12/2018 07:20

The people on about it being a virus wiping humankind out are just scaremongering.

Doing the we're all fucked dance is probably more harmful than good as people will just say if we're fucked why bother trying to change it.

Whose voting green next election then? I would say they are our only party for whom the environment comes first.

grumiosmum · 04/12/2018 07:25

Whose voting green next election then?

I've been a Green Party member & activist for over 10 years.

Urbanbeetler · 04/12/2018 07:26

As a virus touting scaremongerer , I am one of the few on this thread to say we aren’t fucked and that we won’t be wiped out. Decimated means losing one tenth of the population.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 04/12/2018 07:26

Climate change is happening, it is too late to prevent it happening. But we can still limit how bad it will be, and wealthy countries such as UK can adapt to a few degrees of warming. And buying time gives more time to try and develop technology to reduce the impact. So yes, acting now will make a difference.

Sadly the countries that are least able to adapt are those that are generally lower polluters. Poor countries, in sub Saharan Africa, low lying islands, already fragile water and food supplies. There will be mass famines and deaths. Our children and grandchildren will witness this.

The biggest changes you can make:

Write to your MP

Write to companies you buy from

Talk to your friends about climate change
(poster upthread said they don't talk about their experience living in affected countries- please do- people need to know this, and it isn't in the news enough. Can you say more about what you saw on this thread, I'm genuinely interested)

Don't eat beef, dairy, cheese, or drastically cut down. Beef, pork, farmed prawns are the most polluting foods.
The least polluting meat is more polluting than the most polluting vegetarian food.

Don't fly

Only drive when necessary

Switch to green energy supplier

Stop buying shit you don't need

I see weird focus on acts with tiny environmental benefit - such as my friend buying a bamboo toothbrush yet booking long haul holidays.

Even if individual acts don't make a huge difference, I see it as a moral imperative to reduce my own environmental impact. We are going to see huge numbers of deaths in the next fifty years, and I find it grotesque to carry on with unnecessary long haul flights, regular beef etc whilst watching this play out.

If we want to continue high energy lifestyles we can continue this with nuclear and renewable energies. It is nuts that we are still building fossil fuels power stations. I would rather live next to a nuclear power station than an air-polluting coal power station btw.

bluejelly · 04/12/2018 07:27

It is scary but it's not too late. Have courage. We have to make radical changes, yes, but we have the technology and the wealth (globally) to make them.
And for everyone saying there's no point recycling or giving up beef - on a global level it has a tiny impact, but on a local level it certainly does. And we have to do something. We can't do nothing.

Nenic · 04/12/2018 07:27

I don’t like the man. It’s well known he wants to cull the human race