AIBU to be terrified by what David Attenborough has said?

[ArcheryAnnie]

He's just said about climate change ""if we don't take action, the collapse of our civilisations and the extinction of much of the natural world is on the horizon." He's not the only one saying this - it's now common currency amongst scientists, and indeed anyone paying attention.

www.theage.com.au/world/europe/civilisation-may-collapse-if-climate-change-ignored-attenborough-20181204-p50jzs.html?platform=hootsuite

There's no time left for pissing about. We've got to take radical action now. It isn't something that any of us can ignore.

Really??? You mean vegans have no issue at all with vitB12 deficiency?

Me think you need to read more about been vegan and the issues it can cause. (And that’s if you are talking abut bout vegans who have done their homework and know how to eat well wo any animal protein in their diet.)

Many years ago there was a poster who said she didn't eat anything 'that cast a shadow'. I never could work out what she did eat. Root vegetables? They grow from plants on the surface which do cast a shadow. In the end, I could only think of things which grow in the absence of light, but I don't think that eating only mushrooms and maybe rhubarb would be very healthy.

Ultimately, most diets don't work too well except with some supplementation.

@EtVoilaBrexit nope as long as you supplement or consume enough fortified foods you won’t have b12 deficiency. I’ve been vegan 8 years and don’t have one.

I have done a lot of reading- the nhs and the British dietic Association all say a well planned vegan diet is fine.

I think it’s you who needs to be a bit more educated on the subject.

@Jux I’m sure that will have been a simpsons joke

www.vegan.com/level-5-vegan/

And 90% of the b12 supplements produced in the world are fed to livestock...

kikisparks

Whoa.. I've just skimmed through about 75% of this thread and my mind is just straight boggled at the general lack of understanding on display.
So many people just don't get it.
Our corporate media and capitalist soaked value system has lulled too many into delusional, wishful thinking.

It's not going to happen to your grandkids or great grandkids. It's happening NOW. It will happen to you, and to your kids. And the thing that terrifies me most about the general ignorance on display here, is not what ignorance does now, but what it does when shit starts to get real. Ignorance and apathy is the welcoming party for fascism and authoritarianism.

Start education yourselves, start paying fucking attention, start talking about this with your friends and your family, start demanding more of your elected officials, start questioning what it is that makes life worth living on this beautiful, singular tiny little space ship that no longer has the space for all our waste products.

I'd recommend taking some time to watch this, it's the recording of the Club of Rome's Climate Emergency Plan that was released at a free conference two weeks ago. Loads of great speakers, understandable science, an actual cohesive plan to target the crisis, loads of great actions and ideas from around the world.

It's 2.5 hours, if you can binge The Crown you can binge this.

Also Extinction Rebellion are doing great things all over the world now, and those of you that think it's your your great grand kid's problem should see how teens around the world are starting to get very pissed, vocal and organised about their future that is being burned away from them. www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/04/leaders-like-children-school-strike-founder-greta-thunberg-tells-un-climate-summit

Sadly op its no surprise.no one wants to give up their cars...imo the no1 public health hazard.

It's not going to happen to your grandkids or great grandkids. It's happening NOW. It will happen to you, and to your kids.

This.

*basically less and less animals will be bred to be killed

THIS ^

We breed animals in huge numbers in order to consume them.

In a wild situation, animal numbers are kept in balance - huge herds of wildebeest support large numbers of predators which keep their numbers stable. If the wildebeests die back (eg disease) predators do to because they starve,

We are really the only animal which utbreeds its food source, because we have found a way of increasing it artificially. But it isn't sustainable.

there are far too many people on this planet.

Everyone feels they have the "right" to have children (we don't - children have the right to have loving parents who care enough to protect the world they bring them into so that they have a future) - even in the west today, where there is no problem with contraception, a lot of families have many children (I'm a firm believer in a two-child rule, personally -or at least a two-successful-pregnancy rule).

A falling population will cause problems for a couple of generations, but then will right self and if people have the sense to keep it stable, would be sustainable.

I agree with you, Godrestyemerry, in fact I worked alongside a press office in the 80s who were warning about the 'demographic timebomb' we were facing 20 years in the then future. From there, it was an easy leap to why depleting the population was actually a good strategy.

vis a vis cars, if Government would improve public transport throughout hte country (not just the larger urban areas) then it would be easier for people to give up their cars, or to use them less at the least. Sadly, when transport was parcelled out to people like Stage Coach (and, obviously, all the different idiocies who are not running trains) it was the beginning of the end for Pub Trans to be much more than an expensive inconvenience.

vis a vis cars, if Government would improve public transport throughout hte country

This

We had a wonderful bus service here (it's a semi-rural place. It was every 15 minutes. then it was cut back to an hourly service - then it became an unreliable hourly service.

When I had to wait THREE HOURS one November for a bus to get home from visiting my DH in hospital - standing there in a frozen bus queue with (among others) a lady with a little girl aged about three who was sobbing with cold, even though her mother, I and others donated scarves and gloves to try to keep the poor little mite warm, and a very elderly lady who could barely stand) - I bought a car!

Our bus didn't arrive until the last scheduled run at 11.00pm! It was snowing, it was freezing. The queue included people who hadjust been discharged (one or two who sensibly gave up and got a taxi - most of us could afford to). Were there for an 8.00pm bus and none came.

There have been times when the very last bus was missed off because of driver shortages.

I will never forget that poor little sobbing baby - she was so cold, poor little soul and we couldn't do a thing to warm her up. She would have been in agony when she got home and started to warm through.

asking people who live in islington to manage without cars is completely different to expecting someone who lives in Much Wenlock or Arrochar to be car free, sometimes public transport doesn't work
for me work is 17 miles away and a 25-30 minute drive, public transport is a bus and 2 trains and would take over 100 minutes at best
to arrive by car for 9am I leave at 8.25am to arrive by bus and train need to leave at 7.15 as only a bus every 2 hours and childcare before 8am is simply not available

I agree with you, Teacup, hence saying that pub trans needs to be improved first. I, myself, live semi-rurally, and the only way to get to work is by car really. Most places round here don't have train stations or coach stations, so have to rely on cars - if they can afford them (many, many can't).

Regular and frequent buses on different routes, train services serving the passengers not the share holders. And it needs to be affordable.

@Silkie2:”Population control would be a start. Trump reduced funding to Africa to appease the Catholic Church (I think was the reason).”

Agreed on the first point but your second one confuses Catholics with evangelical Protestants. The latter tend to support Trump, the former (Irish, Italian, Hispanic Americans) tend to vote Democrat.