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I've been a doormat. Aibu to stop this now?

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Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 22:05

Nc for this as some family use MN.

Bit of background. DH and I are both from large families and friendship groups. We both apparently have reputations as being the "sensible" capable ones. Not sure why, neither of us are the eldest of our families but we're fairly boring,we have never been party animals, and we have quite caring/responsible jobs.

So when SIL was having trouble in her marriage we looked after her children at the weekends so she could reconnect with her husband. When my friend who suffers from poor mental health has a bad day, she calls me. When someone needs a lift to the hospital, or a shoulder to cry on, or needs to borrow money, they tend to come to us.

If I'm honest, it has been getting a bit much over the last few years. DH was ill, I took on a second job to save for our first house, and if I'm honest we didn't have enough time to look after other people's toddlers or to sit and listen to a friend rant for two hours.

To get to the point, I was feeling emotionally drained, but after our baby arrived this summer, I expected to be left alone. I come for a family where parents of under 3s are understood to be more or less out of commission for a bit,and are the ones deserving of care and sympathy!

This has not been the case from DH's side of the family and from some of my friends, none of whom have children. SIL is lovely, but very very needy of her parents and DHs attention. When our baby was 3 weeks old she wanted us to look after the DNs. DH said no, I was post section and it would be too much. She begged and I said if she was desperate he should go to her house to watch them for a bit. I thought it was a one off but it's been nearly every week, though we don't always say yes. A few times she's left the children with pil who have then dropped them to our house as "they can see the baby". We were out once and she phoned us because our neice was apparently crying to see the baby and wanted to know when we'd be home. She also phoned once to ask dh to help her in with the shopping as she had to park on the road and couldn't manage the shopping and the children. So as not to drop feed, her husband works from home 3 days a week and has weekends off, whereas DH works 10 hour shifts with an hour commute either end. PILs are also always phoning DH to come and help them with various things, putting up sheds, helping them with their new ipad.

My "friends" are equally crap post baby. I don't drink so I usually am the driver on nights out. They wanted to go on a night out when baby was 3 months old. I said no thanks (breastfeeding)

The next thing I know, they're inviting themselves round to mine for a takeaway. OK actually, that's fine we had a good night. Except they have been trying to make it a weekly thing ever since and are getting increasingly huffy with me when I say no. And one friend I meet for lunch. We take turns paying, but when it's my turn she buys the most expensive thing on the menu and talks about all her problems because I "give such good advice". No asking me how I'm coping with motherhood.

There's been a few other things too- when I got out of hospital after having the baby, we had constant streams of visitors right away, most of whom were very welcome but some who stayed for 4 hours and expected lunch, apparently they'd been really looking forward to it as I'm such a good cook!

It's all come to a head this week. Sil phoned to say the children "would be" coming round to "help us" decorate our tree. I know it sounds spoilt, but I have had enough, I just want it to be dh, baby and me, with some carols playing and mince pies, putting up the bloody Baby's First Christmas bauble. Then my friend who lives overseas messaged me to ask when she could visit next and she hoped we had still kept the spare bed in the new nursery. Except I know she doesn't really want to see us, she wants a place to stay while she visits family here. She tried to invite herself the week before my due date and was annoyed when I said I wasn't up to it

I can't tell if I'm being unfair or blowing things out of proportion or what, I feel that every single request is a drain on our time, especially when it's DH doing things for other people who just assume I'm coping so well with the baby that I don't need him around. DH is sick of it too. We're both starting to push back and it's definitely pissing people off and now I don't know if I am being princessy.

I feel that being the capable, helpful one has absolutely shot me in the foot. I have had no leeway for having a small baby, none at all. In fact because I'm on maternity leave people think I'm doing nothing all day and it's ramped up. DH works an early shift one day a week so is home mid afternoon and every single week pils or sils will call within the hour of him getting home, needing him for something. It's just all too much, I realise now that being helpful and supportive has been a one way street and it hasn't been going in our direction

Can someone give me some perspective on this? Sorry it is long. I've been discussing this with DH too and we both are struggling to work out where to draw the line

OP posts:
Oobis · 30/11/2018 22:11

Good grief OP!!!! Time to start living your life for you and your immediate family and not to facilitate everyone else's social lives and poor decision making! You are not being unreasonable in the slightest. I'm sad to say, I suspect when you cease facilitating everyone else's easy lifestyles you may see much less of them. But you gave a husband and young child who are a far more worthy investment of your time.
Happy Christmas. Enjoy starting your own special traditions which your baby will associate with happiness and security. As keep your relationship with DH strong too. Everything else is just extras.

CarolineForbes · 30/11/2018 22:12

You are not being unreasonable and need to start saying no. People have obviously got used to taking taking taking and perhaps they need it pointed out to them.

Princesspeachy0 · 30/11/2018 22:12

The only thing u can do is talk to these people!!
Your SIL is just cheeky imo. Confused

Its not like either u or ur DH are enjoying helping everyone else out all the time so u might as well just be straight with them.

Good luck!

By the way I don't think ur being princessy at all.

Stormwhale · 30/11/2018 22:12

I think a polite but firm no to all requests for a while should adjust the balance. If you feel the need to explain, I would say that you are both exhausted and still adjusting to being new parents and that you need to focus on your own needs for a while.

People won't like it, they never do when someone starts being assertive, but that doesn't mean you are wrong to do it.

MergeDragons · 30/11/2018 22:15

OP the line is where you choose to draw it so if people ask they don't get. But if you offer to help out the PIL or have your friends over that is fine because it is your decision.

Your family and friends have been taking horrible advantage of you. From now on your mantra needs to be "Sorry that doesn't work for us, I'll give you a ring to invite you over when things have calmed down". This clearly states that you will be in touch when you are ready (things can include but is not limited to: sleep regressions, teething, nap dropping, weening, first day of school, new boxset available, desire to rewatch every come dine with me ever).

OP the people in your life don't seem to see you and your DH as people with your own needs, wants, and stresses you need to stand up for yourselves and say actually no I need a quiet weekend / DH home this afternoon / you to go away. Be firm and be prepared for people to moan and possibly fall out with you (if they do it shows that they don't actually value you as people).

Wooooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhh · 30/11/2018 22:15

Bloomin’ heck just start saying no! For goodness sake.

pallasathena · 30/11/2018 22:16

Send a group text to everyone saying you're taking a mental health break for a couple of weeks, under advice, due to exhaustion.
State firmly that you won't be responding to any requests whatsoever during that time.
Don't complain and don't explain. Make it a done deal, no discussion, it is what it is. And get DH on side with this approach.
Do this and you recalibrate the situation to your advantage but you have to be really strong and really assertive.
You can do it!

MsVestibule · 30/11/2018 22:16

Obviously YANBU. I think you have two options:

  1. You refuse ALL requests of help/your time until people realise that they can actually cope without you. Once they've realised that, and your baby is a bit older, you might want to not be quite so strict.
Or
  1. You just do what you feel you can do.

I'd probably go for option 1. So what if they think you're being rude? Start this weekend with SIL; don't give excuses, just a short text saying that your DNs won't be able to come round as you're planning a quiet weekend. You'll feel quite liberated!!

Ohyesiam · 30/11/2018 22:20

You are SO not being a princess.
You need to announce as often as necessary that dh will no longer be helping his sister and parents unless it directly fits his family. No childcare, no diy, no shopping, no nothing.
Move away if it would help.

Tohaveandtohold · 30/11/2018 22:21

You are definitely not unreasonable. These all sound so physically and emotionally draining. You have to be firm and assertive. They won’t like it, intact they will start resenting you for this but you have to do what’s best for you and your family. This is something i’ve started doing as well. There’s no point when giving is just one sided.

IncomingCannonFire · 30/11/2018 22:21

Good grief. Yanbu. You both need to move away. Sil is a CF. Tell her to jog on. Tell me straight and then hopefully they will be so offended they leave you alone.

cheminotte · 30/11/2018 22:22

Yanbu - you and DH have been doormats. Definitely time to practice saying - that doesn’t work for us.

KeepCalm · 30/11/2018 22:23

No. No, is a full sentence.

If you need to be more polite 'no, sorry that doesn't suit'

Nothing more. No excuses. You. Are. Done.

Thanks
MidnightVelvetthe7th · 30/11/2018 22:24

Fucking hell OP! Draw the line wherever you want. Text cheeky sil to say no to nieces. Text friend to say no.

Say a bit firm NO to all of them and your dh needs to do the same. They might not like it but they'll get over it and tbh who the fuck cares if they get stroppy.

Practice saying no Smile their shitty organisation and wants are just not your problem.

Enjoy your beautiful baby, congrats and put the phone on silent, hang your special bauble then sit fatly on the sofa all afternoon with baby in one arm and mince pies in another and enjoy the peace WineWine

CantWaitToRetire · 30/11/2018 22:25

I think a polite but firm no to all requests for a while should adjust the balance. If you feel the need to explain, I would say that you are both exhausted and still adjusting to being new parents and that you need to focus on your own needs for a while.

^ This! And on the day your OH is on early shift, put your phones on silent and don’t answer them, or the door.

The PIL need to realise they don’t have first dibs on your OH’s time, and as for the SIL - politely suggest her own DH helps her with whatever she needs. Enjoy taking some time for yourselves. If friends drop you because of it, then they weren’t true friends in the first place.

Babdoc · 30/11/2018 22:27

I agree with all the PPs, OP. Your family and friends have been shamelessly using you for years, and taking you completely for granted.
I would actually go further than the advice to take a break from helping others. I’d start calling in some favours and ask for some help in return. Get these people to do some babysitting or run some errands for you. It will be interesting to see which of them make excuses and run a mile!
Some of the people in your life are not friends, they are users. They see you as some kind of dogsbody and concierge service. High time to disabuse them of this notion.
Assert yourself, OP! Let these selfish people find themselves a new doormat. Good luck with reclaiming your life and free time.

Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 22:28

Right. That will involve locking the door and keeping the curtains drawn unfortunately. We live within 15 minutes drive of many of our family members, and we are on the way to the nearest large town. There have been times I've been sitting in my pj's on a sunday and the DNs have appeared in my living room, and oh look, there's sil reversing out of the driveway en route to M&s. I can see that we've been ridiculous and spineless, but they are very "we're a close family, we help each other out, open door policy etc" and I know that if we really needed help they'd be there like a shot. But, well, we haven't yet. It is hard to go against that without causing huge offence. I think being unavailable is the best way to play it - hide behind the door when they knock

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trojanpony · 30/11/2018 22:30

WTAF
I don’t think being capable has shot you in the foot, you are hanging around with a bunch of users.

Yanbu to stop it now. I think your husband needs to be on board and you should go cold turkey stop say yes, start saying no and also ask them to stop asking you because you cannot help for the foreseeable future.

Youmadorwhat · 30/11/2018 22:34

Omg that sounds horrendous!! I would start putting your foot down and be out a lot or have plans so they can’t come round and they may soon get the message.as for your friend abroad tell her there’s no bed anymore or it’s broken or something.

Lunch friend I would order expensive also just to be annoying and then give it a break for a while over Christmas. Next time you meet just have a coffee and say you’ll pay for yourself.
As for sil tell her to back off (nicely) and get her own oh to help out

Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 22:35

It's a relief to be told it's OK to say no. I know we sound pathetic, but actually for a long time we genuinely didn't mind. I enjoy being busy, I'm not easily stressed, and i was raised to believe that if you can help someone out a bit, you should do so. It's just that there's no reciprocal arrangement now when I thought we would be left alone due to having a small baby

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HollowTalk · 30/11/2018 22:39

Your SIL actually dumps her kids at yours and drives off without saying a word? That is terrible!

It's down to your husband now to make sure this absolutely stops.

Starlight345 · 30/11/2018 22:43

I would stop even answering the phone .

I would also say to friends if you enjoy it . Happy to do it once a month no more .

Tell them you are having family weekend no visitors .

Turn phone off when you don’t want to hear from anyone.

No is a complete sentence

Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 22:45

Yes, she does it to PILS too.

I've always thought it was absolutely bonkers but I remember the first time she did it when I was visiting pils, this tiny child just came wandering in, we heard the sound of the car turning, I was agog but pils didn't bat an eyelid.

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dontalltalkatonce · 30/11/2018 22:49

Your h needs to tell his sister NO. 'We have a baby now. We can no longer offer drop in childcare when it suits you.' 'We're doing the tree on our own this year.'

I would be seriously fucked off.

Serin · 30/11/2018 22:49

The most useful thing I have ever learned from Mumsnet (and I've been here since 2006) is the phrase "No is a complete sentence".

Don't give excuses, they will find "solutions" to any excuse.

Just No.

(and if you MUST elaborate....add That doesn't work for me).

This has actually changed my life. I was such a doormat but honestly the power of Mumsnet changed all that.

Practise it now, in front of a mirror.

Good luck OP.

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