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I've been a doormat. Aibu to stop this now?

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Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 22:05

Nc for this as some family use MN.

Bit of background. DH and I are both from large families and friendship groups. We both apparently have reputations as being the "sensible" capable ones. Not sure why, neither of us are the eldest of our families but we're fairly boring,we have never been party animals, and we have quite caring/responsible jobs.

So when SIL was having trouble in her marriage we looked after her children at the weekends so she could reconnect with her husband. When my friend who suffers from poor mental health has a bad day, she calls me. When someone needs a lift to the hospital, or a shoulder to cry on, or needs to borrow money, they tend to come to us.

If I'm honest, it has been getting a bit much over the last few years. DH was ill, I took on a second job to save for our first house, and if I'm honest we didn't have enough time to look after other people's toddlers or to sit and listen to a friend rant for two hours.

To get to the point, I was feeling emotionally drained, but after our baby arrived this summer, I expected to be left alone. I come for a family where parents of under 3s are understood to be more or less out of commission for a bit,and are the ones deserving of care and sympathy!

This has not been the case from DH's side of the family and from some of my friends, none of whom have children. SIL is lovely, but very very needy of her parents and DHs attention. When our baby was 3 weeks old she wanted us to look after the DNs. DH said no, I was post section and it would be too much. She begged and I said if she was desperate he should go to her house to watch them for a bit. I thought it was a one off but it's been nearly every week, though we don't always say yes. A few times she's left the children with pil who have then dropped them to our house as "they can see the baby". We were out once and she phoned us because our neice was apparently crying to see the baby and wanted to know when we'd be home. She also phoned once to ask dh to help her in with the shopping as she had to park on the road and couldn't manage the shopping and the children. So as not to drop feed, her husband works from home 3 days a week and has weekends off, whereas DH works 10 hour shifts with an hour commute either end. PILs are also always phoning DH to come and help them with various things, putting up sheds, helping them with their new ipad.

My "friends" are equally crap post baby. I don't drink so I usually am the driver on nights out. They wanted to go on a night out when baby was 3 months old. I said no thanks (breastfeeding)

The next thing I know, they're inviting themselves round to mine for a takeaway. OK actually, that's fine we had a good night. Except they have been trying to make it a weekly thing ever since and are getting increasingly huffy with me when I say no. And one friend I meet for lunch. We take turns paying, but when it's my turn she buys the most expensive thing on the menu and talks about all her problems because I "give such good advice". No asking me how I'm coping with motherhood.

There's been a few other things too- when I got out of hospital after having the baby, we had constant streams of visitors right away, most of whom were very welcome but some who stayed for 4 hours and expected lunch, apparently they'd been really looking forward to it as I'm such a good cook!

It's all come to a head this week. Sil phoned to say the children "would be" coming round to "help us" decorate our tree. I know it sounds spoilt, but I have had enough, I just want it to be dh, baby and me, with some carols playing and mince pies, putting up the bloody Baby's First Christmas bauble. Then my friend who lives overseas messaged me to ask when she could visit next and she hoped we had still kept the spare bed in the new nursery. Except I know she doesn't really want to see us, she wants a place to stay while she visits family here. She tried to invite herself the week before my due date and was annoyed when I said I wasn't up to it

I can't tell if I'm being unfair or blowing things out of proportion or what, I feel that every single request is a drain on our time, especially when it's DH doing things for other people who just assume I'm coping so well with the baby that I don't need him around. DH is sick of it too. We're both starting to push back and it's definitely pissing people off and now I don't know if I am being princessy.

I feel that being the capable, helpful one has absolutely shot me in the foot. I have had no leeway for having a small baby, none at all. In fact because I'm on maternity leave people think I'm doing nothing all day and it's ramped up. DH works an early shift one day a week so is home mid afternoon and every single week pils or sils will call within the hour of him getting home, needing him for something. It's just all too much, I realise now that being helpful and supportive has been a one way street and it hasn't been going in our direction

Can someone give me some perspective on this? Sorry it is long. I've been discussing this with DH too and we both are struggling to work out where to draw the line

OP posts:
llangennith · 01/12/2018 10:44

Along with saying no and all the other good advice on here, tell SIL not to dump her kids at your house and drive off.
Curious as to how they get in though; is your door unlocked?

Bluesmartiesarebest · 01/12/2018 10:56

Once you’ve said no a few times it will get easier. Keep your door locked from the inside - you should do this anyway for security even if you live in a ‘safe’ area.

Be prepared for SIL to have some kind of emergency need for childcare when you still say no to her. Your needs trump hers and there is no reason for you to give in. Even if her DH decides that he isn’t sticking around after all, she can look after her own children.

Chamomileteaplease · 01/12/2018 11:00

It is great that your dh is on the same wavelength as you.

I hope with help from MN you can learn to start saying no to people who ask for things from you.

However, your SIL doesn't ask does she?? She sounds horrendous. I think she needs a whole other approach. She may need a text or a face to face conversation with your dh to tell her that you are both taking a rest for a while and that you won't be up for socialising in the near future. But also, that she must never ever ever just drop her kids and drive off. That is one of the most CF things I have ever read!

And that she must always text/call to ask stuff first. You aren't in for people dropping in any more.

You have to decide whether to risk upsetting a pain the neck woman or whether to be very stressed and feel put upon for the next fifty years. Be brave.

Cuckooclocks · 01/12/2018 11:00

Wow. Flowers first of all.
You sound like an amazing friend and family member. They need to get a taste of “dont know what you’ve got til it’s gone” so they appreciate you!

ChasedByBees · 01/12/2018 11:32

Dropping her kids I and driving out without a word is so rude and a bit nuts!

How does she know you don’t have a hospital appointment or somewhere to be? You need to tell her never to do that again.

AnoukSpirit · 01/12/2018 11:40

An excuse won't work. They won't back off they'll just badger you until normal service resumes. And then you'll still have to have the uncomfortable conversation where you just say no.

People don't like it when doormats start asserting themselves and caring for their own needs. Doesn't mean you'd be wrong to stand up for yourself and place value on your own needs. It would however likely mean they were feeling discomfort at realising how selfish they've been and at no longer having somebody to run after them.

At the moment what you're communicating is that you don't matter and your needs aren't important. And I don't think that's true.

gendercritter · 01/12/2018 11:52

Do you remember the Friends episode where, I think, Chandler ended up getting on a plane to Yemen to avoid Janice? Grin

Don't do that. I think saying no gets easier. Visualise what you want to say in advance. Picture yourself being really calm and in charge and saying 'dh and I love you all but we need some alone time' etc. Etc. There are ways of saying things. You don't have to offend or insult with a no. It's ok to want your space.

Rosenspants · 01/12/2018 14:14

I agree that an excuse won’t work as they’ll resume their demands before too long. It has to be blunt and do the broken record until the message sinks in. There’ll be a storm over it but you just have to ride that and you can, as long as you and DH are a united front. You can be kind but firm.
What a bunch of CFs. I’d be questioning SILs parenting too. To drop her DC off and drive away is the height of irresponsible behaviour towards them and you, OP.
I have three siblings, and several nieces and nephews. None of us would do such a thing, or turn up unannounced, except in an emergency.
OP you are kind and hospitable. Your IL family have abused that and it has to stop. You have a lovely baby and others are way further down the pecking order from now on. As for the CF friends, “no” to the one who wants to sleep in your nursery...it’s no longer convenient. And the restaurant one...well it’s “we will be splitting the bill from now on”
Good luck with it. Stand firm. You’re the boss.

Melliejellie · 01/12/2018 14:29

Yes, our door is usually unlocked. Everyone is the same - we live in one of those areas where everyone has a side or back door that's unlocked and nobody ever uses the front door, or if they do it's unlocked too! Lots of people just dropping in, which I know is a pet hate on MN but 90% of the time I don't mind at all, because they are popping round with some cake for a 20 minute chat or something. There's still an unspoken etiquette though, which sil does not follow, and nobody else's two year old has appeared in my living room before Hmm

This is all good advice, thank you. DH and I are doing lots of talking and thinking on how to proceed, and just generally the boundaries we feel comfortable with. I find it hard to distinguish between fair and unfair requests I think. The babysitting 3 weeks after the baby was born I did feel was unfair, but then I doubted myself - physically I felt OK, I was coping well with the baby, I didn't need the help, the DNs to be fair are no trouble and I love them. It wasn't as though their actual presence would be difficult or stressful, I didn't need dhs help right at that moment, so I felt we had to say yes. But at the same time I was cross that she had even asked. Same with the tree decorating - I love DNs, I enjoy spending time with them and doing nice things with them, they would have fun decorating the tree, so saying "we just want it to be us" sounds very petty and precious - as though them being there would spoil it. Which it wouldn't. It's just I want it to be the three of us! For no other reason than that's what I want.

So I think I've realised that I feel very obliged to do these things, unless I have a set in stone excuse not to. I'm not sure why that is exactly but it's something I need to unpick and work on.

Another weird thing that has played on my mind and I might as well get it out here - when our baby was born, we had a newborn photoshoot. I shared the digital copies on the family WhatsApp. Sil almost fell over herself to print out a few of the photos and put them in a big frame saying FAMILY on it which she then presented to PIL, this was all within 24 hours of me sharing them. I thought it was extremely odd, but then what do you realistically say to that? "Don't give grandparents a picture of their grandchild?"

OP posts:
SenoritaViva · 01/12/2018 14:36

It is odd. It’s like she wants to swap children!

The reason you want it to be the three of you is because you are a new family. You are creating your memories as a unit of three and that’s fine! That doesn’t mean you don’t love your nieces but you are not their parent. It seems to me like SIL isn’t wanting to take responsibility for them.

Motoko · 01/12/2018 14:38

Well, you could say that. You might have wanted to print and frame them to give to the grandparents yourselves. Sounds like she did it to get in there before you had a chance to.

tablelegs · 01/12/2018 14:42

Lock your doors from now on and say no.

Phone your sil and say she can't just drop the kids off. You've got a baby now and you don't have the energy to look after her kids.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 01/12/2018 14:50

It's perfectly okay to want to do some things by yourself - it's not petty at all.
Definitely start locking the door - it will stop cheeky bitch sil from dumping her kids and pissing off out, for a start. It also sends a psychological message that your home is a separate place to the outside world - it's yours and people need your active consent to come in.

I also think you need to be a bit more honest to them, with how you feel about some of their behaviour. People with clear boundaries get respected amd not taken advantage of.

YearOfYouRemember · 01/12/2018 14:57

Put your demanding ridiculous friends and family on do not disturb on your phone.

Message them all to say you have given them all a lot of time and energy and since you have had the baby there has been no thought on their hand for how things have changed for you and so from now on you will be less available. No babysitting on X days at all. Warning needed for any help asked for with no sulking if you say no. Your by is not a toy or entertainment. You'll be having time alone to do some things and they will be welcome for X and X at a later date. No more dropping by within minutes of dh getting in from work.

Don't answer the door.

Stop the expensive lunches or do the same to the greedy friend.

You sound lovely but it's time to focus on your new look family.

Bumshkawahwah · 01/12/2018 15:38

I too have trouble deciding which is fair on unfair behaviour on my part. But actually...it doesn’t matter. It’s on me to decide what is good for me, what boundaries I want to have. Also, there is no universal standard on what constitutes fairness. I’m pretty sure, from the sounds of it, that your SIL will think anything that doesn’t involve giving into her is ‘unfair’ for example. So, is her opinion on a situation more important or valid than yours?

Needsmorebeans · 01/12/2018 16:23

I think that now you have started to stand up to some people you will find out who.your real friends are. Your sil is a different matter. Her lack of thought and consideration is terrible and she needs telling that both you and DH are exhausted and need rest. You will be locking the doors in future and you can't look after her kids.

MuddlingMackem · 01/12/2018 16:47

Having read your posts and about half of the replies, I think you need to contact your families, but I think that you need to say something along the lines that you're finding parenthood much harder than you expected (even if you're not!) and you're both utterly exhausted and you need your DH around for support when he's not at work, so neither of you will be able to help out anyone else for the foreseeable.

If you send a message like that, it would be interesting to see if any of your family offer any help or if they all just complain.

scepticalwoman · 01/12/2018 18:31

Op, you and OH sound lovely. It's great that you're trying to be thoughtful and are analysing what is happening and why. I'm sure that you'll both find a way to be supportive of your family but to also 'draw a line in the sand' for the family members who are repeatedly overstepping the mark.
There is a compromise in here somewhere that will allow you to establish boundaries that stop others exploiting you while retaining the extended family that you both enjoy and appreciate . Good luck.

PissedOnProsecco · 01/12/2018 19:08

We have family members who take any of photos we post of the children off FB and prints them out for the rest of the family who are not on FB. I get so annoyed by this. Ok probably over reacting but it really bothers me.

mummmy2017 · 01/12/2018 19:16

Your Sil is just conning you to look after her children.

Just tell them your baby is teething and your not getting much sleep, so I know you will all understand we are not avaliable to help in December, but will see you at Xmas.

Motoko · 01/12/2018 19:27

You could always try to stop them printing off your photos by putting a watermark with your name over the middle of the pictures!

Missymoo71 · 01/12/2018 20:41

Start saying "No, that doesn't work for us."

"Sorry, it's not convenient."

"I'm afraid we are busy then."

This ⬆️ most definitely.

mbosnz · 01/12/2018 21:27

Well, first off, you are not being unreasonable. At all.

Secondly, it concerns the hell out of me that your SIL dumps a child that young and does a runner, not checking that someone is assuming responsibility for that child. Someone needs to tell her that she is fully responsible for the safety and wellbeing of that child until she has ensured that someone else has knowingly assumed responsibility for that child. What she is doing is NOT OKAY. It is grossly negligent.

Floralhousecoat · 11/12/2018 22:15

Hi op. Wondered how things were going for you and your partner.

Blondebakingmumma · 12/12/2018 06:54

No, just say no.
Please start with the SIL
“No that doesn’t work for me/is”

Reclaim your Christmas decorating for starters! It’s your first family Christmas with your baby.