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I've been a doormat. Aibu to stop this now?

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Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 22:05

Nc for this as some family use MN.

Bit of background. DH and I are both from large families and friendship groups. We both apparently have reputations as being the "sensible" capable ones. Not sure why, neither of us are the eldest of our families but we're fairly boring,we have never been party animals, and we have quite caring/responsible jobs.

So when SIL was having trouble in her marriage we looked after her children at the weekends so she could reconnect with her husband. When my friend who suffers from poor mental health has a bad day, she calls me. When someone needs a lift to the hospital, or a shoulder to cry on, or needs to borrow money, they tend to come to us.

If I'm honest, it has been getting a bit much over the last few years. DH was ill, I took on a second job to save for our first house, and if I'm honest we didn't have enough time to look after other people's toddlers or to sit and listen to a friend rant for two hours.

To get to the point, I was feeling emotionally drained, but after our baby arrived this summer, I expected to be left alone. I come for a family where parents of under 3s are understood to be more or less out of commission for a bit,and are the ones deserving of care and sympathy!

This has not been the case from DH's side of the family and from some of my friends, none of whom have children. SIL is lovely, but very very needy of her parents and DHs attention. When our baby was 3 weeks old she wanted us to look after the DNs. DH said no, I was post section and it would be too much. She begged and I said if she was desperate he should go to her house to watch them for a bit. I thought it was a one off but it's been nearly every week, though we don't always say yes. A few times she's left the children with pil who have then dropped them to our house as "they can see the baby". We were out once and she phoned us because our neice was apparently crying to see the baby and wanted to know when we'd be home. She also phoned once to ask dh to help her in with the shopping as she had to park on the road and couldn't manage the shopping and the children. So as not to drop feed, her husband works from home 3 days a week and has weekends off, whereas DH works 10 hour shifts with an hour commute either end. PILs are also always phoning DH to come and help them with various things, putting up sheds, helping them with their new ipad.

My "friends" are equally crap post baby. I don't drink so I usually am the driver on nights out. They wanted to go on a night out when baby was 3 months old. I said no thanks (breastfeeding)

The next thing I know, they're inviting themselves round to mine for a takeaway. OK actually, that's fine we had a good night. Except they have been trying to make it a weekly thing ever since and are getting increasingly huffy with me when I say no. And one friend I meet for lunch. We take turns paying, but when it's my turn she buys the most expensive thing on the menu and talks about all her problems because I "give such good advice". No asking me how I'm coping with motherhood.

There's been a few other things too- when I got out of hospital after having the baby, we had constant streams of visitors right away, most of whom were very welcome but some who stayed for 4 hours and expected lunch, apparently they'd been really looking forward to it as I'm such a good cook!

It's all come to a head this week. Sil phoned to say the children "would be" coming round to "help us" decorate our tree. I know it sounds spoilt, but I have had enough, I just want it to be dh, baby and me, with some carols playing and mince pies, putting up the bloody Baby's First Christmas bauble. Then my friend who lives overseas messaged me to ask when she could visit next and she hoped we had still kept the spare bed in the new nursery. Except I know she doesn't really want to see us, she wants a place to stay while she visits family here. She tried to invite herself the week before my due date and was annoyed when I said I wasn't up to it

I can't tell if I'm being unfair or blowing things out of proportion or what, I feel that every single request is a drain on our time, especially when it's DH doing things for other people who just assume I'm coping so well with the baby that I don't need him around. DH is sick of it too. We're both starting to push back and it's definitely pissing people off and now I don't know if I am being princessy.

I feel that being the capable, helpful one has absolutely shot me in the foot. I have had no leeway for having a small baby, none at all. In fact because I'm on maternity leave people think I'm doing nothing all day and it's ramped up. DH works an early shift one day a week so is home mid afternoon and every single week pils or sils will call within the hour of him getting home, needing him for something. It's just all too much, I realise now that being helpful and supportive has been a one way street and it hasn't been going in our direction

Can someone give me some perspective on this? Sorry it is long. I've been discussing this with DH too and we both are struggling to work out where to draw the line

OP posts:
strawberryredhead · 30/11/2018 22:52

When your dh isn’t at work, he needs to be able to be there for you and the baby. Otherwise you’re all going to burn out with all this. I agree, start saying no. It will be tough as you’re not used to it and they’re not used to it, but Just stick to it and stand firm

strawberryredhead · 30/11/2018 22:55

I agree about the no excuses. You’ll get into some annoying conversation where they try to work it out so you can say yes after all.
Just firm and vague no’s like “no he won’t be able to”, “no we’re not free today”. And you don’t need to be apologetic. It’s not that you don’t want them in your life, it’s just that you NEED boundaries.

Jaxhog · 30/11/2018 22:55

'No' is a complete sentance. Smile and look regretful if you must, but don't explain and just say no.

ohtheholidays · 30/11/2018 22:56

You both need to stop answersering your phones to them unless that means they'd turn up uninvited if they would then your DH deals with his family,tell him not to answer the phone but text them and say your busy,you don't owe them all of this time and you don't owe them any explanation, they're taking away from you and your own family which is you your DH and your DC!

With your friend and lunch either tell her that you want to start going Dutch or order something really expensive that you'd like when she's paying and then if she brings it up(and it sounds like she would)say to her well I always end up spending alot of money when it's my turn to pay so I thought it's only fair and finish that sentance with a big Grin

As for the friend inviting herself to stay tell her your no longer having anyone stay because you have your baby to concentrate on and before she gets to say a word say I knew you'd understand because your such a good friend!Again finish with a big one of these Grin

KeiTeNgeNge · 30/11/2018 22:59

Yes you need to push back. Put phones in silent and issue the blanket statement like a pp said. It sounds a nightmare

MsJolly · 30/11/2018 23:00

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TBDO · 30/11/2018 23:04

Just say no.

If you need to build up to it, you can tell SIL and others that you need some quiet weekend time as baby is teething/growth spurt/old friends are coming to visit etc.

If you find it tough, remember you’re doing it for your baby. You want your children to grow up thinking they are the most important people in your work (along with your DH). They will feel second best if you’re always giving your time and energy to others. No need to be a martyr and do favours and help everyone else.

Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 23:07

Good point about the children feeling second best. I hadn't thought of that. Though it's already occurred to me that pils will have very little quality time with our baby as sil monopolises their time with her own

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masterandmargarita · 30/11/2018 23:07

Get some sand and draw a line in it

Warpdrive · 30/11/2018 23:12

I think it would be a mistake to hide and pretend you’re not there. You need to face up to the situation and confront them.

Why can’t you say, ‘I realise I’ve been taking on too much and I’m not actually comfortable taking on anything else at the moment. Both of us are in the same place so we’ve decided to cut back on extra responsibilities for now.’?

And your friend can stop using you as a hotel - the dynamic has changed now you’re parents and baby’s room is not shareable!

heather1 · 30/11/2018 23:17

You and your DH could sit down together and work out a plan and similar no responses. Write it our in bullet points if necessary.
Don’t answer the door if it’s not convenient. That’s perfectly acceptable. Yes it’s going to ruffle some feathers. However you, DH and your baby are a family in your own right and should make your decisions about what is right for you.
I wish you strength, courage and bloody mindedness. Ultimately everyone’s going to benefit - especially your family life

Ngaio2 · 30/11/2018 23:19

OP you can rely on support from MN over this so just come back if you feel overwhelmed by family demands again. You have given so much that you’re now taken for granted and no one is thinking of your needs.
I hope you have the best Christmas ever this year OP

Stormy76 · 30/11/2018 23:21

Maybe get them all round and have a talk with them before you or you DH explode in anger and frustration, you don't want it to get to a point where you yell or scream something you instantly regret. As you have married into a close family perhaps SIL has been allowed to get away with taking everyone for granted, getting it out into the open would be a good move and setting some boundaries i.e.. no visits before 12 on a Sunday, stop calling DH to help you with the shopping, you have your own husband ...make use of him, stop asking constantly for us to baby sit because you are making it into a resentful chore that we just don't want to do and it shouldn't be like that

Maelstrop · 30/11/2018 23:21

Is your DH absolutely on board with this? He needs to back you up 100% and tell them no, every time. Time to start your own life with your baby.

I don't think this 'we're a close family' is an excuse to dump everything on you two. They sound like massive CF. No way should they be demanding your DH helps the minute he's home, he has a baby now and the first responsibility is to that child and you.

Tell sil in advance that she is no longer to just dump the kids on you and no, they won't be decorating YOUR tree! CF, she is, big time.

pallisers · 30/11/2018 23:26

God almighty OP, I have no idea how you have kept your cool so long. Your sil actually expected you to mind her kids 3 weeks post c-section!! That is awful

Tell your friend you no longer have a bed in the nursery. And no it won't suit you to have her.

Tell your sil that no her children can't come over to decorate your tree.

If your sil ever drops and runs with her children, put them in the car and bring them to your PILs and do the same. Let them deal with it and her. keep doing it and if she erupts just say to her "sorry no, but the least we require is that you knock on our door if you are unexpectedly dropping your children. we have a life and plans too."

I actually am gobsmacked at the 3 weeks post section babysitting thing but beyond gobsmacked at someone dropping their kids without checking even after they arrive - she is a fucking cheeky loon.

Orchiddingme · 30/11/2018 23:29

I initially thought the SIL in this tale was a single mum and that's why she constantly dumps the kids on you and your PIL- then read her husband is home working 3 days a week and has weekends off!

Your DH is doing 12 hour days. He absolutely won't have the energy for putting up sheds/looking after other people's kids now- most new parents are on their knees with exhaustion with their OWN child, not worrying about anyone else.

Time to start saying 'no'. Don't hide in your house- how will that solve anything? Just say 'Sorry SIL, we aren't having anyone over tomorrow', 'Sorry' PIL, DH is not available this week to do that' and keep repeating like a record. They won't like it and will be all peeved- but it's awful that they just aren't looking after you, but continuing to take. As others have said, the end result will be you and your child count less- so make them the most important in your life.

Melliejellie · 30/11/2018 23:34

Yes, DH will back me up, mainly because he's exhausted because work is so busy at the minute, and when he gets home he just wants to have his dinner and spend time with us.

I think I'll just get him to tell them all, in a general sense, that now the baby is teething and it is so dark and cold that we're basically going into hibernation. Then hopefully that will break the dependency. I'll say the same to my friends.

Sil is the tricky one really, and that could influence pils in turn. She's odd- struggles massively with her own children, is always wanting them looked after, but demanded "auntie alone time" from the minute she saw our baby (which she hasn't got because breastfeeding) is constantly wanting the baby on solids to facilitate this etc. So maybe it's all normal to her and she'd be delighted if we dumped the baby off multiple times a week?

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category12 · 30/11/2018 23:35

I agree with the pp who said tell them you're taking a mental health break and you need time to yourselves - you might possibly then get these people to stop and think and maybe even start offering you help for once.

Practise noes in front the mirror. Dh too.

LanaorAna2 · 30/11/2018 23:42

Learn to say No - the fallout will be nothing as bad as you imagine.

Polite Ways to Say No (I do wish someone would write a full list of these)

  1. Phones on silent
  2. Say 'I'll get back to you' and don't.
  3. Repeat 'I can't make that' - mantra-like
  4. I'm ill
  5. Say 'No, but can you do X for me' shuts most users up instantly.
ColdCrumpetsAndButter · 30/11/2018 23:54

I'm so annoyed for you!

Your friends and family are using you left, right and centre.

No way would I be letting my child have "Auntie alone time" if she dumps her own children off wherever she can.

Mainie · 01/12/2018 00:04

I’m just nodding along with whoever said up the thread to nip this in the bud, if not for your own sake, then before your child/ren start to feel second best. I’m the eldest child of a mother who dropped everything at the slightest sign of need from anyone, and what it taught me very young was that my siblings and I were less important than anyone else at whose beck and call she was — she liked feeling needed, and wasn’t able to see us as separate from herself, so she felt that as she ‘naturally’ took last place in her own priorities, her children should do so too.

She would have felt that prioritising her children was a sign of selfishness and big-headedness, and it was an awful way to grow up, with an overcrowded, tiny house full of live-in elderly relatives, charity cases and exploitative hangers-on phoning up for favours, knowing that my mother would never say no to anyone, no matter what childhood illness, school play or special event was on.

Feefeetrixabelle · 01/12/2018 00:06

The next time your sil does the dropping off thing your dh needs to ring her to find out where she is put the kids in the car and take them to her.

Message everyone and say you’ve got a bug so will be having a quiet weekend please do not come round. Then spend Sunday messaging people organising a meet up for in the next 2-3 weeks and say it will be good to see then. If they ask about other dates say sorry booked up for Christmas look forward to seeing you on... rinse and repeat. Manage expectations by not making yourself available. December is the month you say no to helping anyone but your little family.

Oh and if you meet your friend who always orders the most expensive thing and it’s her turn to pay- then order the most expensive thing with all the sides. See how she likes it.

Cornishclio · 01/12/2018 00:09

Learn to say no. You have a small baby and have no time spare.

Maryann1975 · 01/12/2018 00:12

Sil can go on about wanting auntie time with the baby because she knows she can’t have it -it’s a red herring. She knows you are bfing so can’t leave the baby, so she is safe to offer. And while she is offering you will keep having her dc for her as it seems like a trade. Except she isn’t having the baby, while you are still having nieces.

And baby’s (other peoples) can be quite cute and easy to look after for a couple of hours, while children require actual entertaining, you have to do more than cuddle them and sit with them on your knee.

You need to stop doing favours for others and concentrate on your own family (you, dh and baby). If the others (friend who wants a bed) don’t step up for you and understand, they aren’t true friends and you are better off without them.

DistanceCall · 01/12/2018 00:12

"That will involve locking the door and keeping the curtains drawn unfortunately."

NO!!!!!

OP, you and your DH need to teach his family that, however close you are to them, and however much you love them, there are boundaries that they must not cross. And if you tell them that you won't be available for a couple of weeks, they shouldn't turn up. And if they do, you tell them to go away because you need some time to yourself.

You can't pretend not to be in for the rest of your life. You need to start to learn to say no. You're doing nothing wrong - you're protecting yourself and your family.