to think that Labour's stance on moped ramming is stupid

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The Metropolitan Police have been knocking over moped muggers with their cars, and releasing the footage as a deterrent. It's a fantastic idea which has cut moped crime dramatically.

Predictably, the Shadow Home Secretary has said 'it shouldn't be legal for anyone'.

Why is Labour's instinct always to side with the scumbag criminals over the victims, the police and the decent people?

Wallow rallies? Walkie talkies! Bloody autocorrect is going bananas.

A police officer deliberately ran over a suspect with his police car earlier this year and has been fully backed by PIRC. He was armed with a knife and was lucky to receive minor injuries.

Serves the fuckers right. Good to see the Police taking a tough stance with this filth at last.

jasjas1973 If that would be a deterrent to other criminals, so we could live a safer life, with out fear, bring it on, it’s people like you that let criminals think it’s ok to do what they do,
How chances do these people need and why should we have to tolerate them ?

jasjas1973

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Out of interest, if gangs start using more powerful and faster scooters, (the 250cc ones that can do 70mph)
Do you think the Police should attempt to knock them off at high speeds too? say 50mph or more?
Why are you on the side of the criminals?

basically if police are not allowed to knock moped drivers off their is nearly 0 chance of catching the fuckers.

So it becomes a very very low risk crime in getting caught so it increases. What do you guys want for one of these bastards too kill a child before you give the police the powers to stop them?

Ban mopeds completely? i repeat again if the police are NOT allowed to knock a moped driver off there is a near zero chance of catching the fuckers.

It is not a punishment it is a way to actually being able to capture the criminal so the courts can actually convict them. No point in courts if police are not able to catch the scum bags.

So realistically the choices are allow police to knock the riders off (even if they are not wearing safety equipment) or ban mopeds or simply allow them to get away.

If criminals know there is a low risk of them getting caught they will increasingly use said tactic.

And again without being able to knock moped drivers off there is literally zero other way to catch and detain them.

The problem with your argument Hesta54 is in the sort of society that gasses offenders, the people deciding who is the offender might not be as reasonable as you or i, in other words, anyone could become an enemy of the state and gassed.

Its not a question of tolerating these people, no one would want safer streets than i but the price for 100% Criminal free streets is a North Korea type country, no crime but is that what you want?

Why are we now talking about gassing offenders......?

Unless this is a new MET policy that I haven’t heard of!

Its not a question of tolerating these people, no one would want safer streets than i but the price for 100% Criminal free streets is a North Korea type country, no crime but is that what you want?

North Korea? Are you serious? Kids there don't have mopeds in any case, but allowing our Police to detain moped riders who fail to stop by nudging them DOES NOT make us anywhere like North flaming Korea!

jasjas1973 If some is found guilty and is a multi offender, why not as a deterrent do something drastic, desperate times calls for desperate measures, as the soft approach is not working

It will be when Hesta54 becomes Home Secretary lol!

@badlydrawnperson rtft Hesta said gassing was acceptable if it keeps the streets safe.

Hesta54 so as a multiple offender, death as a deterrent is acceptable?
So if it fails to work, kill their family? Demolish their street? i know put them into camps, make them work for a living as it sets them free lol!

The Met’s policy (and that of other forces?) seems to me to be reasonable.

Beyond that I wouldn’t go. For now.

Although easyandy101 I’m surprised you know so much about what police officers want and don’t want as you said earlier you hated them earlier. Wouldn’t have thought you would have been having in-depth conversations with them.

Yeah that is my view of the police force. The met especially. But the individuals in it are still people, and I treat all people with respect

I've got, what I consider to be, valid and personal reasons for not liking how the police frequently operate

jasjas1973 You bought it up first, and yes, people have choices, if their choice is to commit criminal acts against innocent people and their property then why not remove them from society, why should we have to put up with it ?

@jasjas1973 you're having the same thoughts as me.... did you know Godwin has revoked his own law nowadays due to the rise of extremist right wing sentiments as shown on this thread?

@jasjas1973 fair point, well made. I am not in favour of gassing or North Korea as options. Happy (within limits) for the robust action of Police in this case and I think Dianne Abbot is wrong about this although I don't disagree with her on everything.

They are not being driven over! They are being stopped the same as a car would be and the rate of crime has dropped 36%! Its working, police car pulls in front when safe to do so.

did you know Godwin has revoked his own law nowadays due to the rise of extremist right wing sentiments as shown on this thread?

I’d have thought extremist right-wing sentiment would tolerate anti-social behaviour, at least of a certain sort.

It’s the far left - you know, Soviet Russia, the GDR, modern day Venezuela, North Korea, prospectively the UK under Corbyn - that opposes disorder in all forms, with the least control on suppression.

But then, once you leave the middle path they're all pretty much the same.

I haven’t read the whole thread but wanted to say that I completely agree with this policing tactic.

The most dangerous thing for the public is criminals thinking they can get away with it because they get increasingly brazen and the public suffers. It should have been nipped in the bud and I’m glad something is being done now.

Very comical irony that the ads shown me now on this thread, are lovely shinry scotters and mopeds for sale!!!

Nice little side line....

I’ve got ads for tartan dresses. I doubt they’re relevant.

I completely agree OP. It's a serious issue issue in London, people are being mugged, threatened at knife point and even attacked by people on mopeds daily and the moped riders went free knowing the police wouldn't chase them.

Having the authority to stop the criminals by stoping their moped is great and it's a great idea to use footage as a deterrent.

I think it's disgusting that labour wouldn't undermine the police by saying 'no one should be allowed to do it including the police'. Police are taken for granted, under staffed, under paid and face daily abuse and a threat to their lives. All they want to do it protect all of us, this is a way for them to do this efficiently. Bloody support them or keep quiet.

Sadiq Khan, one of the biggest backers of the policy is a labour politician though...