Two black cleaners? Really?

[Fresta]

Watching 'How to Spend it Well' on ITV.

AIBU to think that having a load of kids make a mess and then getting two black women in to clean up after them is not really an image we should be reinforcing?

What were they thinking?

Why women cleaners? Why black women? Why couldn't it have been a man and a woman?

There was absolutely no need to remove my comment about the op not caring about working class women.

It wasn't offensive in the slightest.....I've seen much worse on here, much much worse.

@Serena - ‘at a hospital I work in 90% of the cleaners are Black’
That is quite likely due to the location, the company itself & the level of skill required (hospital’s require different training than other commercial areas)
I’ve worked for a commercial cleaning company for 9 years, overseen the recruitment of thousands of cleaners, and I have not seen this stereotype in real life.

It's incredible (but not surprising) that people's reaction to people mentioning a black, female civil rights activis's theory is name calling. 🙄

Wonder if they'd call Kimberle Crenshaw names to her face, or if they're just racist at home.

Oh, do fuck off @fresta !

People like you, with opinions like yours, are the problem, not the solution!

Yeah fresta how dare you ask people to think about the ethics of representation when it's so much easier to just pretend that no one sees colour, there are no stereotypes, and everybody knows at least one black woman who drives a Ferrari.

I'm sure the cleaners in question wouldn't thank anyone for suggesting they shouldn't have been offered this lucrative work and great publicity because some people might think it looks a bit bad.

This post just shows how toxic and stupid "intersectionalism" and SJW culture is.

People are basically suggesting that these two highly skilled women (the owner of a cleaning bussiness posted at length about the skill set involved) shouldn't have been offered this lucrative work and the great publicity that comes with it because it's "offensive".

It also speaks volumes about how SJWs view certain occupations and the people in them.

Logically following this if several applicants applied you'd have to pick the white male.

Who is that serving exactly?

I think you would have a point if the kids making the mess were all white, and they had just picked two random black women to be cleaners. Neither is the case though.

So, I see where you are coming from, but in this instance I don’t think it is a problem.

I want a cleaner, basically I want it to be our male Filipino domestic from work as he is the best most enthusiastic cleaner ive ever known.

Nothing to do with being male or Filipino though. Also I'm biased as we're mates.

But seriously cleaning is one of those jobs where us ordinary women (and men) can make a lot of money either on the side or as a main job. People can be snobbish all they want but I have a lot of respect for cleaners.

We soon notice the chaos at work when the domestic isn't there.

@StateofIndependance Tue 27-Nov-18 21:31:31
Obviously for the OP this brought to mind images of black oppression along the lines of The Help and I expect she wasn't the only one who felt like this. I think it's different though. These women run a cleaning business. They're oppressed in the way that all black, working class women are, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to clean and be paid for cleaning on a TV show.

Isn't the OP the one with the problem then if this is what comes to mind when she sees black people working?

FFS they were a mother and daughter with their own cleaning business!

Stop being racist

WTF!!! I feel offended.

What's the biscuit for?

Horrified you noticed.

@AtlasShrugged

Absolutely! This!!

@Eliza9917

I could not agree with you more

There was absolutely no need to remove my comment about the op not caring about working class women.

Identity politics is the biggest game of divide and conquer ever played and it’s the working classes who are being played with.

Why the hell has the Op offered up a biscuit

Identity politics is the biggest game of divide and conquer ever played and it’s the working classes who are being played with. and yet social justice warriors like playing it the most. They don't give a toss about people on the lower end of the social economic scale, just appearing "woke".

I think it could've been a good discussion about "choices" . I mean they're obviously successful and driven but is the fact that they chose cleaning a coincidence or a consequence of their race and gender? Would two driven white women have followed the same path? Two driven white males?
Discussing the fact that choices aren't actually made in a vacuum can be interesting and enlightening.

However, it is very telling that OP's outrage was based on "made up scenario and actors" rather than facts. Which is the women own a successful business and have appeared in similar shows . She's outraged and offended based on perception rather than fact and that doesn't sit right with me.

I mean they're obviously successful and driven but is the fact that they chose cleaning a coincidence or a consequence of their race and gender? Would two driven white women have followed the same path? Two driven white males?
Discussing the fact that choices aren't actually made in a vacuum can be interesting and enlightening.

Making assumptions about the choices available is always risky. You don’t know these women personally. You seem to be suggesting they thought ‘We're two black women; all we can do is clean because that’s all society thinks we’re good for’. You don’t even consider the idea that they could have been two women with minimal resources/capital who saw cleaning as a way to make their own money without having to invest in expensive equipment, premises, time out of the workforce to retrain etc.