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AIBU to ask for advice on ending brother’s visit?

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mrsgregorypeck · 27/11/2018 13:33

My older brother and I were virtually estranged for many years after a major misunderstanding. He lives 500 miles away so we didn’t run into each other which may have sorted things out earlier. Recently, in the past three years, we have attempted to have a better relationship, initiated mainly by me.

Three months ago, he said casually on the phone ( I phoned him) that he and his wife would be touring in my home area after he had finished a project in which was involved. I replied that they must come to stay with us, thinking that they would come for a weekend/ long weekend. Since then, I waited for him to call me back and let me know what he was planning. On Friday at five pm he called and said they’d be with us in three hours but could stay in a hotel if that was a problem. I politely covered my horror and surprise, assured him that he was welcome, and rushed off to get house ready with help of my husband.

They arrived with an enormous amount of luggage which first made me wonder about what their plans were. We had a very nice weekend, with them paying for dinner one night and us paying the next . I also cooked the first night.

On the Sunday DH asked me , quite understandably, how long they would be staying so I raised the question in as polite a manner as I could. My brother breezily replied that he was in no hurry to return home since nothing needed to be done at home. I’m afraid I was incapable of speech and, I think, simply smiled and nodded in a very cowardly way. His wife, who is lovely, was very apologetic and said that he must let us know their plans. His reply was that there was no rush to go anywhere. They have now been here for five days with no end in sight.

My DH likes visitors for two nights maximum and has then had enough of people for a while , which is how I feel as well, really.

How can I raise the subject again politely? What advice can wise readers give on dealing with this , without potentially causing another estrangement? Thank you.

OP posts:
TwoGinScentedTears · 27/11/2018 14:49

You've just got to tell your brother straight.

It's been nice having you here but I'm done in now with hosting. If you want to stay longer the hotel up the road would be a good place to stay if you're not going home yet.

Maybe ring the local hotel and check they have availability first though?

Sexnotgender · 27/11/2018 14:54

AHH that’s hideous!!

Definitely make up random guest coming to stay.

Say you didn’t mention it earlier as you hadn’t anticipated them staying for SO long.

Gazelda · 27/11/2018 14:57

Let some cockroaches loose in the guest room.

Holidayshopping · 27/11/2018 15:00

have asked my brother’s wife and she is very embarrassed and apologetic about the fact that he didn’t let us know ( apart from three hours before) about their arrival and also that he won’t say when they are leaving.

Well, she is no better, no matter how nice she is!

Ask her when they are leaving? Suggest tomorrow.

Claw001 · 27/11/2018 15:06

Grin cockroaches, love it!

Do you have any children who could really annoy him or have a drum kit being delivered?

theworldistoosmall · 27/11/2018 15:07

So what time are you leaving tomorrow?
If he comes out with the no hurry crap - No, that doesn't work for me. What time are you leaving tomorrow? Unless of course, you are saying you are leaving tonight.

Next time, When he calls ask then how long he intends to stay for. All these assumptions get you nowhere and staying for a month? wtaf that relative needs to have words with themselves about assertiveness.

DancingInTheCellar · 27/11/2018 15:07

Your brother must be loving the power he has in family relationships. He relishes just arriving on someone's doorstep and stays as long as he likes - no explanation, no discussion? Nobody dares say boo to him. Why is that?

rosablue · 27/11/2018 15:09

'Must be lovely for you to have time to be free spirits and go with the flow, without planning but unfortunately we're not at that point yet - and we have longstanding plans... [as other posters have made great suggestions about].'

'Next time, let us know beforehand when you're planning on being in the neighbourhood so we can sort out dates in advance...'

Might also be worth giving your sil the heads up that your dh and you aren't very good with guests for more than a long weekend, it's not personal but even happens with your own parents but that's why you plan and can have time to prepare and deal with it...

MatildaTheCat · 27/11/2018 15:11

‘Sorry to ask your plans again but we have Henry and Alice from uni coming to stay this weekend, they called to arrange it this morning and I absolutely couldn’t say no so I’m afraid we need your room by Thursday morning at the latest. Don’t worry though, Hotel X is very nice.’

Send by text when they are out if you are embarrassed. They are using you. You know that.

dontalltalkatonce · 27/11/2018 15:12

Jesus, grow up! Get a spine. Or lay back and let him rip the piss. 'You'll need to leave by Friday as we need our space back.' There's a reason you went NC with him. Might not have been the best idea to chase after him, he doesn't have any respect for anyone.

If you're too much of a wuss then get your H to do it.

I'll never understand how all these lilly-livered people go through life.

Celebelly · 27/11/2018 15:12

Leave your laptop lying around with this thread on the screen!

dontalltalkatonce · 27/11/2018 15:15

He offered to go to the hotel. Why are you all such pushovers when it comes to him?

Miscible · 27/11/2018 15:16

I can't understand why on earth you didn't ask how long they were coming for when your brother said they were descending, or indeed when they turned up. When you say he's got to go, for goodness sake don't get into long convoluted excuses, otherwise he'll push you into changing your mind: make it very clear that you're not going to discuss it but it it's non-negotiable. Also tell him that if he wants to come to stay again you will need at least a fortnight's notice.

ambereeree · 27/11/2018 15:18

Just tell your husband to say his sibling is coming to stay. Crikey OP i would just tell him to piss off.

SilverLining10 · 27/11/2018 15:19

I would also invent some guests visiting. Do you have really good friends who are willing to come over with empty suitcases. It seems you dont want a confrontation so as much as this might be a cowardly way out, if it gets them out does it matter.
And then never invite them over again.

Staringcoat · 27/11/2018 15:20

Oh dear op. And what strange (and impolite) behaviour on the part of your brother. You must quickly invent a reason (other visitors arriving, building works, minor operation) why you can no longer accommodate them. You have been very welcoming, so if he is anything but gracious when asked to leave, then I think you can safely assume that your original reasons for being estranged are still valid!

I am struggling with a similar (but totally different) sibling issue ATM. I've always been part of what I thought was a close family but as I've got older I've come to realise that I don't like one particular family member very much. I definitely love them, but I don't particularly like them, and our interaction causes me a lot of stress. It's hard to know when to stick by someone out of family duty or to make life simpler and easier for yourself.

theworldistoosmall · 27/11/2018 15:22

I wouldn't invent anything.
But then I don't worry about offending cheeky fuckers.

DontCallMeCharlotte · 27/11/2018 15:24

Make some actual plans for this weekend (use booking.com - you can cancel up until midday on some of their hotels Wink), that way you won't have to lie. Leave booking confirmation in full view. Then later...

"Sorry, I didn't mention it before as I didn't think it would be an issue, but we're actually away ourselves this weekend so will need to move you on I'm afraid."

Graphista · 27/11/2018 15:25

He's a cheeky fucker who like all cheeky fuckers relies on people feeling too embarrassed/awkward to call them on their shit!

I'd lay odds it was a very similar situation caused your fallout before?

Thick skinned? No! Wilfully ignorant!

So spell it out to him.

"We've loved having you but we really need our privacy back. Hope you enjoy the rest of your visit in the area, if you want to meet up for lunch let us know. And if you're in the area again we're happy to have you but only for a few days and we need X amount of notice"

OnoAnotherNC · 27/11/2018 15:25

So...given that his wife is embarrassed that your DB won't let you know when he is planning on leaving, does that mean that she doesn't know either?

Is she just waiting in your house in a permanent state of embarrassment, wondering when her husband will deign to enlighten anyone when they will be leaving or moving on to the next convenient relative?

theworldistoosmall · 27/11/2018 15:27

You realise that if the op says they are going away cf will still stay in the pretence of looking after the place.
It's what cf's do. There is only one way to deal with these people. Be direct.

timeisnotaline · 27/11/2018 15:28

While the truth would be best, a white lie would be second best. Pretend to yourself it’s true and deliver it unapologetically , because you don’t need to apologise for having guests arranged! ‘X is coming to stay on the weekend, I’ll need at least a day to air the room. I’m sorry I didn’t mention it but I didn’t expect you were staying so long. It’s been lovely seeing you though.’

DontCallMeCharlotte · 27/11/2018 15:31

I wouldn't invent anything.
But then I don't worry about offending cheeky fuckers.

Actually, just this.

gamerchick · 27/11/2018 15:33

You know what, I wouldn't make something up. Your brother is thick skinned, you've already brought it up with his partner and you're still none the wiser.

Tell them both bluntly they'll have to leave by the weekend at the latest... Giving no reason why.

Staringcoat · 27/11/2018 15:33

Family relations aren't all black and white though theworldistoosmall. The op is obviously concerned about being blamed for causing a further estrangement (although she may be longing for one at this point Grin). Most of us are constrained by feelings of love and loyalty to the past when it comes to family and situations like this aren't easy. It's great if you have no qualms about offending others. Some of us are not that confident. And it's particularly shit when we have qualms and the other party seem to have rhinoceros hides!